• edge [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    But his brother, returning from Sicily, handed him over to a doctor to be cured, and in this way he recovered from the illness.

    he had never been so happy as when he rejoiced at the sight of ships which did not belong to him returning safely.

    yea

    Can’t have this guy be happy about his hobby and that people made it home safe. That’s weird.

        • crime [she/her, any]
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          It is — "neurodivergent" just means having a mind that functions in ways which diverge significantly from the dominant societal standards of “normal.” It can be largely or entirely genetic and innate, or it can be largely or entirely produced by brain-altering experience, or some combination of the two, e.g. autism, brain injury, or heavy psychadelic use. (paraphrased from Dr. Nick Walker's Neurodiversity: some basic terms & definitions)

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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            5 months ago

            It's been a thing near the front of my brain after reading the comments on a ds9 episode review of all things. It was for the episode where Bashir meets the other genetically altered people and the reviewer calls them 'autism coded', and the comments rightfully point out that not all neurodivergence is autism and when the term neurodivergent is used people tend to immediately associate with autism and that can be shitty for neurodiverse people who aren't autistic. They also point out the characters in the episode all kinda have their own thing but their behavior is closer to people who have been abused and shut away from society because of their mental differences cause well, early 90s writers experience with neurodiverse people probably tended to have some of that going on since they're all ivy league grads from the 70s and 80s.

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  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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    5 months ago

    Anybody have the actual source for this book? Would love to read it, little anecdotes about Ancient Greeks sound like a wonderful vibe

    • Wertheimer [any]
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      Athenaeus, Deipnosophists, Book XII, Chapter 80: https://www.loebclassics.com/view/atheneus_grammarian-learned_banqueters/2007/pb_LCL327.219.xml?readMode=recto (A non-paywalled source with an older translation: (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2013.01.0003%3Abook%3D12%3Achapter%3D80) )

      For more anecdote collections - Plutarch's Moralia, Volume III ; for the Romans, Valerius Maximus's Memorable Doings and Sayings

      Aulus Gellius's Attic Nights is good, too, but it's more on the philological anecdote side

      You may also enjoy Theophrastus's Characters

      (Final edit - spelling)

      • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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        5 months ago

        Oh wow, this is amazing. How have I never even heard of The Learned Banqueters?? This is an insane work, exactly what I'm looking for! I really ought to learn Ancient Greek one of these days.

        • Wertheimer [any]
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          5 months ago

          Almost nobody reads it straight through, but as a source it's amazing. I'm pretending to work on a novel about [redacted] and whenever I need background details Athenaeus is there to help. Here's an intro that makes the case for him: https://chs.harvard.edu/book/jacob-christian-the-web-of-athenaeus/

          • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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            5 months ago

            Oh shit, well colour me intrigued on your novel!! I'm starting a press (https://ephesus.press) with some folks over at /r/TrueLit to publish stuff, I you ever find yourself finishing it and want it to see the light of day consider sending it over. I will absolutely read this info as well, this work sounds totally fascinating.

    • NapoleonBlownApart [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      I don't know this book, but read The Histories by Herodotus. It's a bunch of mostly made up stories that have this flavor

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    • The_Jewish_Cuban [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      I didn't realize that the whole sentiment of the poem was that humanist. I've only ever heard the last two lines in different contexts and transformed. It's a beautiful piece of art and much more positive (neutral?) than I understood it to be.

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        • The_Jewish_Cuban [he/him]
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          I wanted to discuss this a bit more so I'm replying lol

          It's a really really strong inversion of the contemporary element of church bells. Perhaps because we've grown somewhat disconnected from the actual usage of church bells for a funeral; the frequent usage of the bells as foreshadowing or to symbolize imminent death of the perspective the audience is supposed to take on is completely incongruent to its usage here.

          Perhaps in the most famous modern example Metallica's song "for whom the bell tolls" has the perspective people hearing the bell roll for themselves as they die foolishly for a piece of ground. However, this to me, seems only possible because of that disconnect from their purpose. The bell tolls are a carrier of news rather than a harbringer of your impending doom.

          I hadn't read this poem before, or at least I don't remember reading it, so this seems a very novel usage of the concept.

          I love how the poem takes on this fresh existence entirely because life has morphed and moved on around it.

          Sincerely, thank you for sharing.

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  • glans [it/its]
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    5 months ago

    Thrasyllus was shipping polymorous. The doctor cured him of his compersion and now he is only happy when a ship he OWNS comes to the harbour safely.

  • NapoleonBlownApart [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    I grew up on the Great lakes watching freighters. Do I have some sort of mania? I will drive to a city where they dock just to get close to them at times.

    Brb gonna call my teledoc that was provided by work instead of real insurance and tell them all about it

  • tombruzzo [none/use name]
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    5 months ago

    Franz Ferdinand and Kaiser Whilhelm were both also obsessed with ships.

    Whilhelm always wanted to race his uncle in their yachts and was given an honourary British Navy uniform which he loved so much he'd wear whenever grandma Vicky came to visit