cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17956865
'It is time for this war to end,' Harris tells Netanyahu; 'I will not be silent' on Palestinian suffering
Lol mixed messaging. You literally just condemned people protesting him coming to the US
Do you think we're this stupid?
Protests themselves often tend to be less popular than the causes they promote. Politically it can make sense to distance from a protest, but still align with a cause itself that is more popular
It's strange, but ultimately the cause itself is what matters here
She's lying to both parties. This is hypocrisy, and its discrediting.
Unless you only hear the lie intended for you. Trump is a master at this sort of thing. Maybe Harris is a better politician than we think.
it's all blahblahblah political theater until she actually turns off the unlimited arms & money spigot. until then I don't care what she says. as far as I'm concerned she's just as complicit in this genocide as BidenOh poor little smol bean kamala! she just can't do anything at all! It's not like she's in the same room as the president and has his ear practically every day. fuck off lol
Do you agree with her condemnation of hamas, and support for netanyahu?
She could've easily just ignored that protest, because it doesn't have anything at all to do with her. The only reason this is still getting democratic backing is because of institutional reasons. The rhetoric about, desert rose, shining star of democracy in the middle east, rings hollow when israel has done jack shit as a strategic ally for us for the past 70+ years other than get us wrapped up in multiple conflicts, use us as a weapons manufacturing base to keep the military industrial complex spinning constantly, and train our cops more and more poorly. I don't think your average democratic voter wants to keep hearing about this shit, I think your average voter wants to ignore this, or has bigger fish to fry in their immediate future, and I don't think outside of the republican party, which is swamped by doomsday cult evangelical zionists, there are any real hardline make or break "support israel or bust" guys in the democratic voter base. Maybe your super extremist brainbroken libs, but you're pretty much guaranteed to have their vote anyways, I think. It's that phantomic undecided voter that they always come back to. Real Hotelling's law shit, but they're like, stuck in a fucked up version of the centrism from the 80's, eternally, only changing the window dressing.
This is purely an institutional concern, and the more this comes up, the less time she has to actually show anything substantive to people. She doesn't understand how tenuous and ethereal her meme momentum is. People are satisfied with her now because she's not joe biden, and because she actually has a chance to beat trump, maybe, but after that satisfaction evaporates and the coconut tree and brat memes fall off with their half life of like, probably two weeks or less, she's gonna need something better than just "vote blue no matter who or else fascism will destroy democracy", or else it's just going to fucking beam us with the exact cynicism that's been the case for like the last two elections. She could even just fucking lie, and say as president she'll appoint more people to the supreme court, and reverse the reversal of roe v. wade, and even if she doesn't do that, the issue would probably still be a huge winner for her and help get her elected. But the more time she spends on israel's fuckups the more she's going to tread water, and if you're not moving forwards, you're sliding backwards.
i hope you're right.
i haven't been able to vote democrat since obama's 2nd term and kamala seemed like it was possible again until i saw that distancing yesterday.
i also hope that it's not just lip service; but there's no way to know.
Stop sending them the munitions and money that cause the suffering and maybe we'll believe you
That reminds me of one interview with a random Israeli, I think a politician. Her attitude toward the US was one of "stop telling us what to do big guy." It was so utterly bizarre to read that. Yeah, don't tell us what to do, but do give us the weapons to do it with! Also, constantly shield us for any consequences from the international community!
So she'll have no problem cutting the Israeli tumor off, right? Right???
Lmao, sure, okay Jan. This is gonna be the same velvet-lined kid-glove bullshit Brandon handled Bibi with. Nothing will come of this, they'll still be butchering come this time next month. No support for Democrats until the materiel stops flowing and until Israel is cut off like the malignant tumor it is.
"Plz maybe stop the genocide, anyway here's a bunch more bombs and some public diplomatic cover"
When it comes to a high ranking member of the administration that's enabled this genocide, I'll believe it when I see it
In the past she had also wanted to be more vocal in previous speeches but it had seen it get watered down by the Biden administration. I think she will push for more than Biden ever did/will
Its glorious to see Bibi fly all the way here for the dems to turn him into a basket for Kamala to dunk on.
I'm sure he'll think real hard about what he's done on the way home. Maybe even dry his tears with the truckloads of money and munitions Harris is complicit in handing him without reservation to commit genocide with.
She didn't attend Bibi's Congressional political rally (it was mainly for the majority of Israelis who want Bibi gone), which is unusual for her. Then she punctuates her meeting with Bibi with this. Maybe it's just rhetoric. She will need to outline what sorts of consequences she's willing to impose on Israel.
