Right, every country and company engages in tech espionage. Yet, a lot of people in the west pretend as if China is some unique outlier in that regard.
I understand that the pro China sentiments are strong here and I’m going to be downvoted. I live in the DC area and people around here are aware that everyone is involved in espionage. Russia does it all the time too.
No one believes that china is the only one doing this. Their capacity to do so may be stronger than most countries (same with USA)
It’s always going to be an issue for every advanced country.
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. Yes, every country spies to the best of their capacity, that's the nature of the game. While no sane person believes that China is the only one doing this, we constantly get media stories framed that way and there are a lot of mouth breathers running around screeching that China steals western tech. I think the only actual issue is the existence of copyrights and intellectual property. These stand directly in the way of human advancement and should be abolished.
Well of course USA media isn’t going to say “USA got caught stealing IP from china” or anything like that. I’d wager that China doesn’t do it either lol. They both accuse each other while at the same time reaching into each others back pockets. Ones not better than the other.
China has also been doing things like ensuring that everyone has housing with 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world.China's been improving real wages (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) that have gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country, and making sure people have high social mobility.
So, yeah one's a lot better than the other when you look at the outcomes. This meme basically sums up the dynamic perfectly.
I understand your points even if they are off topic. I wish everyone would be rich and prosperous. I have nothing against the Chinese and the ones I’ve met around me have all been great people. It’s easy to get lost in government dick swinging
The reason you're getting downvoted is probably more of a reflex than anything else. We get a lot of concern trolls here who love to sealion and generally be obnoxious and annoying.
Just be sure to actually listen to what we have to say (you don't need to change you mind though) and respond appropriately and you'll be fine. If you just talk past us and accuse us of things we don't actually believe, yeah, you're going to get downvotes, same as if you tried that on any social media platform.
I kind of just wandered in here from /all and didn’t realize what kind of sub this was before I started commenting, lol. Very interesting to read though
At least you bothered to actually check the sidebar and work out what sub this was before commenting. A lot of these people can't even be bothered to do that.
I’m on Memmy but it just shows “no description”. I kind of got the vibe here by seeing the icon and the comments. It’s cool though - good to see insights from different viewpoints rather than those from my own usual haunts. That’s the cool part about Lemmy, lots of different groups on here just doing their thing without much blind bigotry.
I'm sure the lobbyists and congresscritters in DC have a more realist view in private. Doesn't really change what sort of sentiment they push to the masses.
Right, every country and company engages in tech espionage. Yet, a lot of people in the west pretend as if China is some unique outlier in that regard.
I understand that the pro China sentiments are strong here and I’m going to be downvoted. I live in the DC area and people around here are aware that everyone is involved in espionage. Russia does it all the time too.
No one believes that china is the only one doing this. Their capacity to do so may be stronger than most countries (same with USA)
It’s always going to be an issue for every advanced country.
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. Yes, every country spies to the best of their capacity, that's the nature of the game. While no sane person believes that China is the only one doing this, we constantly get media stories framed that way and there are a lot of mouth breathers running around screeching that China steals western tech. I think the only actual issue is the existence of copyrights and intellectual property. These stand directly in the way of human advancement and should be abolished.
Well of course USA media isn’t going to say “USA got caught stealing IP from china” or anything like that. I’d wager that China doesn’t do it either lol. They both accuse each other while at the same time reaching into each others back pockets. Ones not better than the other.
I get the impression that US talks about China a lot more than China talks about the US.
While US keeps perseverating over China collapsing, China stealing US tech, China becoming a global power, and so on, China's been busy working on doing things like eliminating poverty, creating public infrastructure, providing healthcare, housing, food, and education for all citizens. Chinese government practically eliminated poverty, building infrastructure having used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century, building 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade.
China has also been doing things like ensuring that everyone has housing with 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world.China's been improving real wages (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) that have gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country, and making sure people have high social mobility.
So, yeah one's a lot better than the other when you look at the outcomes. This meme basically sums up the dynamic perfectly.
I understand your points even if they are off topic. I wish everyone would be rich and prosperous. I have nothing against the Chinese and the ones I’ve met around me have all been great people. It’s easy to get lost in government dick swinging
Yeah I went somewhat on a rant there, and completely agree. I think it would be great if countries focused on improving themselves first and foremost.
The reason you're getting downvoted is probably more of a reflex than anything else. We get a lot of concern trolls here who love to sealion and generally be obnoxious and annoying.
Just be sure to actually listen to what we have to say (you don't need to change you mind though) and respond appropriately and you'll be fine. If you just talk past us and accuse us of things we don't actually believe, yeah, you're going to get downvotes, same as if you tried that on any social media platform.
I kind of just wandered in here from /all and didn’t realize what kind of sub this was before I started commenting, lol. Very interesting to read though
At least you bothered to actually check the sidebar and work out what sub this was before commenting. A lot of these people can't even be bothered to do that.
I’m on Memmy but it just shows “no description”. I kind of got the vibe here by seeing the icon and the comments. It’s cool though - good to see insights from different viewpoints rather than those from my own usual haunts. That’s the cool part about Lemmy, lots of different groups on here just doing their thing without much blind bigotry.
Huh, very strange. Might be an error.
Hexbear doesn't have downvotes, so you'll just get a bit of flak from the much less active lemmygrad (no shade to them)
I’m sitting at -6 on my first comment and -1 on second apparently. It’s fine.
I'm upvoting you! It's a fair point and a reasonable thing to point out.
I'm sure the lobbyists and congresscritters in DC have a more realist view in private. Doesn't really change what sort of sentiment they push to the masses.