I think this might actually be good news. Not because Waltz is better than Shapiro electorally (although he is, by a lot) because I'm not exactly super invested in Kamala winning, but I have a glimmer of hope this might be a positive signal for the direction of her foreign policy. Netanyahu is trying to start a regional war and to lock any future US administration into that war. Picking the turbo-Zionist Shapiro would have been an unmistakable signal that a future Harris administration would follow Netanyahu into that war. Snubbing him for a more moderate/progressive pick potentially signals a willingness to break from Israeli positions.
And again, not that I'm rooting super hard for Kamala, but it is notable to see democrats not picking the option that divides their base and puts them on the defensive when everything was going their way. Shapiro has multiple glaring liabilities- comparing anti-genocide protesters to the KKK, supporting Charter schools, possibly covering up the murder of his major donor's fiance- and if they picked him, they would have had to scold their voters into shutting up while Republicans gleefully pounced on him. I'm so used to democrats shooting themselves in the foot and going into scold-mode that it's actually sort of noteworthy when they don't.
Yeah, I agree entirely. It is at least a sign that she may have a real threshold when it comes to support for Israel, which is probably about the best we can hope for from the Democrats. Picking Shapiro would have been a signal that she is all in on the genocide, so it's at least worth celebrating that she went another way. I don't really expect this to turn into meaningful support for Palestine, but it does at least represent a step back from total bloodthirsty support of Israel, which is what we've gotten with Biden (and which is increasingly unpopular with the Democratic voters). As you said, maybe it at least means she wouldn't fall in line with Israel attempting to subjugate an entire region of the planet.
the right might attack the Harris campaign from a pro-zion position and it'll create a bit of an interesting situation, we'll see what they do with that. It gives them an escape hatch, where the Dems can turn on netanyahu and lump him with the right wing
There's not really any precedent for the Dems to actually make that big of a positive turn. Why would they turn around on Israel? The support of Israel as an imperialist project is especially critical with the advent of BRICS and multipolarity. It would drastically accelerate the imperial decline if they stopped paying their mercenaries.
I don't think they will either, I just think it'll be interesting when the right does that attack. It'll mess up their vibes based campaign fairly hard, so they'll likely ignore it entirely and try to coast on the current good feelings.
I was hypothesizing like the way to do it and save face, not saying they'll actually stop supporting Israel lol. With Biden there wasn't even a way to imagine that, with this I can see the ability is there, which will make the Dems at large even more culpable when they dont
Objectively the best that can happen for the dems is Trump wins. They resurge in the typical midterm comeback, render Trump a lame duck for two years and have an open shot in 2028 for Obama 2.0, which they would fuck up anyways. Which is why I say we really wont have another real shot until 2036/2040 when boomercide is at it's peak, but then they will thrust us into WW3 to deny us yet again a peace dividend.
I think this might actually be good news. Not because Waltz is better than Shapiro electorally (although he is, by a lot) because I'm not exactly super invested in Kamala winning, but I have a glimmer of hope this might be a positive signal for the direction of her foreign policy. Netanyahu is trying to start a regional war and to lock any future US administration into that war. Picking the turbo-Zionist Shapiro would have been an unmistakable signal that a future Harris administration would follow Netanyahu into that war. Snubbing him for a more moderate/progressive pick potentially signals a willingness to break from Israeli positions.
And again, not that I'm rooting super hard for Kamala, but it is notable to see democrats not picking the option that divides their base and puts them on the defensive when everything was going their way. Shapiro has multiple glaring liabilities- comparing anti-genocide protesters to the KKK, supporting Charter schools, possibly covering up the murder of his major donor's fiance- and if they picked him, they would have had to scold their voters into shutting up while Republicans gleefully pounced on him. I'm so used to democrats shooting themselves in the foot and going into scold-mode that it's actually sort of noteworthy when they don't.
Yeah, I agree entirely. It is at least a sign that she may have a real threshold when it comes to support for Israel, which is probably about the best we can hope for from the Democrats. Picking Shapiro would have been a signal that she is all in on the genocide, so it's at least worth celebrating that she went another way. I don't really expect this to turn into meaningful support for Palestine, but it does at least represent a step back from total bloodthirsty support of Israel, which is what we've gotten with Biden (and which is increasingly unpopular with the Democratic voters). As you said, maybe it at least means she wouldn't fall in line with Israel attempting to subjugate an entire region of the planet.
If she picked Shapiro, I would have interpreted it as a genuine middle finger to myself and everyone else who was opposed to genocide.
This pic, is more like patting what's on the head and telling us that she hears and sees us. While she continues the genocide.
So like, it's better than the alternative, but I'm still waiting for her to do something.
Not holding my breath on that.
Neither am I.
It's really sad. The PSL isn't on my ballot.
I'm going to go vote. But it looks like I'm going to have to leave the top of the ticket blank.
Same boat here, comrade. One of the few states where they're not even doing an official write-in campaign.
I don't blame them for focusing their efforts, but it does suck.
the right might attack the Harris campaign from a pro-zion position and it'll create a bit of an interesting situation, we'll see what they do with that. It gives them an escape hatch, where the Dems can turn on netanyahu and lump him with the right wing
There's not really any precedent for the Dems to actually make that big of a positive turn. Why would they turn around on Israel? The support of Israel as an imperialist project is especially critical with the advent of BRICS and multipolarity. It would drastically accelerate the imperial decline if they stopped paying their mercenaries.
I don't think they will either, I just think it'll be interesting when the right does that attack. It'll mess up their vibes based campaign fairly hard, so they'll likely ignore it entirely and try to coast on the current good feelings.
I was hypothesizing like the way to do it and save face, not saying they'll actually stop supporting Israel lol. With Biden there wasn't even a way to imagine that, with this I can see the ability is there, which will make the Dems at large even more culpable when they dont
Objectively the best that can happen for the dems is Trump wins. They resurge in the typical midterm comeback, render Trump a lame duck for two years and have an open shot in 2028 for Obama 2.0, which they would fuck up anyways. Which is why I say we really wont have another real shot until 2036/2040 when boomercide is at it's peak, but then they will thrust us into WW3 to deny us yet again a peace dividend.
God I want out so bad.