[I originally posted this in chapotraphouse, but it was deleted for being “pro-cop” even though that very much wasn’t the case. (I believe PSL was actually involved in organizing the protest if I’m not mistaken.) The mod that deleted it openly broke the sectarian rule too.]
Been seeing a lot of people hating on what the protest marshals did during the pro-Gaza protests at the DNC and I feel they definitely did the right thing. Instigating stuff like going up against the cops under the guise of “revolutionary” action just gets a lot of people arrested and doesn’t accomplish anything.
EDIT: Users who were present at the protests have said, counter to what is claimed in the screenshot, that the protest marshals did NOT call for the police. Thank you for clearing this up, comrades!
Reason I removed this from cth yesterday was specifically because of that last line. Anytime protest organizers start calling for pigs to intervene they have forfeited any legitimacy regardless of whether it was supposed to be peaceful.
If there are "wreckers trying to escalate" then you handle them internally you don't call for police intervention. If they really are wreckers then the cops will just let them instigate until the feel they can justify going after the whole protest group, if they are just some overzealous young people caught up in the heat of the moment all you are doing is inviting the cops to escalate instead and throwing possible comrades under the bus.
That is fundamentally worse than just being peace police at a lib march.
Can't believe don't call on cops to fuck with your protest is being met with such lib responses here ffs.
Fortunately this did not happen
Te op stats that it did and they didn't even provide any counters to this. "Some users" can't really anecdotally refute what the OP states and that is what I took issue with.
Also getting too close to a fence is flimsy justification for peace policing. Not like people were advocating violence or even property destruction from the evidence in this post.
Personally, I'm listening to my comrades on the ground, which is why I say it didn't happen.
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What a great common sense point, derived from actually organizing people. And just one great point among many in that thread.
Then why not lead with that?
I mean I didn't make the post. I dug up this thread for you because you said you wanted additional info
I mean…
This is an activist who was on the ground.
This is a cropped screenshot with incomplete information that doesn't support or refute anything said here.
Quit being lazy with screenshot cropping and link actual sources ffs
What "incomplete information"? What sources do you want? Twitter links? lol
Get over yourself. Even if I gave you what you wanted, you would come up with another excuse and another and another. All to prove you were right in deleting my post.
No I earnestly want more concrete details because as of now all we have are third hand anecdotes and these cropped screenshots.
What the hell? You provide no material argument and instead give empty snarky responses and expect them just to understand your point at all? Lazy and rude, get over yourself and stop being so easily placated by people telling you a cop and politician sanctioned parade might not have been the most effective and well planned protest, this is barely a step above the ppl running to tail ilhan omar rn god amerikkka is cooked
But this didn't happen.
You're posting a theory about how cops respond to different protest tactics. People went out and tried one tactic out, and your theory didn't accurately predict what happened.
You can either adjust your theory or insist that it's right despite the results.
Well as it turns out from users who were actually there and are active in these orgs, they didn’t call the police on them, so…
So did they or did they not call for police to intervene as your own post states?
The cops were there already, nobody had to literally call them. Your post outright states that they were present and asked to intervene?
So this unsourced claim here already has falsehoods. Just saying your own post contains no sources but if taken at face value people did in fact call for police intervention.
If that isn't the case it is your responsibility to present accurate information or clarify that when you posted this it contained at least some misinformation.
Also nowhere was I being sectarian. I actually like a lot of PSL folks.
I didn't post that the police intervened. The screenshot did and I only used it because that was the main post that was gaining traction on social media (it was from Unicorn Riot). Of course, in the time since, new information has come to light that changes how the events happened (this info may have come up sooner if you didn't delete my initial post).
Whatever makes you sleep well, I guess.
So what is this new information that changes the nature of this post? Feel like that should be included for whatever point you are trying to make.