You guys are not winning, I don't care about you getting 5%, the only thing I care about is utilizing leverage to stop a genocide.
Useless fucks.
You guys are not winning, I don't care about you getting 5%, the only thing I care about is utilizing leverage to stop a genocide.
Useless fucks.
No this is bullshit. Agreeing to concede to the party of genocide would be a reason to say "fuck the green party". Them holding the line is good.
the party of genocide who would not be materially supporting genocide at that point?
What on earth are you talking about. The democrats are and always have supported settler-colonialism, both within its borders and without in Israel.
If they stop giving their support to Israel they wouldn’t be in that case.
How naive are you?
Youd have to actually believe them is the thing
I mean if the demand is the democratic administration implement an arms embargo before the election in order to secure swing states not really.
Why are you being such a shitlib about this? Just admit you're OK collaborating with Nazis.
Are you 12 years old and haven't learned that politicians lie about everything? The Democrats would never follow through.
I JUST WANT SOMETHING DONE, ANYTHING DONE!
If the Dems don't do shit then fine...nothing has changed, but there is even a CHANCE you could get something like an arms embargo that has to be attempted.
I don't give a fuck about my purity or being a shitlib, I don't care how righteous I would feel supporting or voting for the greens if it means jack shit happens regarding an ongoing genocide.
Good attitude. Turn that ire on the Democrats who are actively carrying out the genocide rather than on the Greens who are opposing it.
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If you don't want to be condescended to then don't go acting like some radlib bad-jacketing the biggest anti-genocide political party in this fake election all because you're naive enough to think the Dems would actually follow through on a promise like that. If you don't want to be condescended to then don't suggest that the biggest anti-genocide political party in the US fall into the age-old trap of trusting the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party kills social movements, it coopts any hint of radicalism and defangs them, and you want the Greens to collaborate with these Nazi fucks?! Get fucking real.
This is pointless infighting. Maybe it would have made sense to take the gambit. Maybe not. But a disagreement on tactics is not grounds for condemning an entire party.
An fuck it I can't stop this tear. You know what's pathetic? Grovelling to the Nazis to pretty please stop murdering people. The Democrats have no soul, no shame. You cannot negotiate with them. The Greens should act as a "spoiler" and seek to bring about the Democrats' defeat, not collaborate with them. There can be no forgiveness and no quarter
If being pathetic gets concrete concessions than I don’t really care.
I don’t have any illusions about bourgeoise democracy, I don’t think socialism will come via reform, but there is a chance it can change policy in places and if “”groveling” gets something like an arms embargo implemented that stops the killing of Palestinians than its better than the greens making the democrats lose while they still die.
It doesn't tho.
Just asking to get
Alright. Your heart's in the right place and I do not feel like fighting you on this -- to take the advice I myself just threw out, a disagreement on tactics is not grounds to cancel an entire person. So I'd like to end this argument here by apologizing for going in so hot and aggressively at you, comrade. Tensions are high and I imagine we're all really raw and hurt by the great evils we have to watch happening while we ineffectually try to stop them. That's going to lead to friendly fire incidents like this but I try not to lash out at other leftists. We get shitlibs brigading sometimes and I didn't realize you weren't one of them.