Is there any evidence of them being a psyop?

  • Nakoichi [they/them]
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    3 months ago

    I don't have any concrete evidence but am 99% sure Hinkle is. They just strike me as a thing bred in a lab by the FBI to make socialists look bad to minorities.

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      I'm wondering how he keeps getting access to our enemies. Like are the intelligence services of those countries stupid in not seeing he's a fed?

  • ReadFanon [any, any]
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    3 months ago

    @jonnysocialism on twitter made a post about how the American Communist Party website was registered by someone who is a fed/ex-fed. I don't use twitter and I'm not having luck pulling it up via Google but that's one place to look.

    Ultimately though we can take a Materialist's Razor approach to this:

    PatSocs seek to distort Marxism and to funnel potential revolutionary energy and class consciousness into a praxeological dead end and into crypto-reactionary beliefs, diverting that energy and awareness away from revolutionary efforts that threaten capitalism and the state. They also serve to smear the image of communism amongst the masses by making communists look like a bunch of crackpots.

    The only thing we don't have clear evidence of yet is them pissing large amounts of member energy and money up the wall on ineffectual projects that only cause burnout and egregious waste of resources.

    Whether their efforts are an intentional, cynical plan to act as wreckers or whether they're just a bunch of larping dorks running a vanity project, essentially the outcomes are the same in a material sense regardless of whether or not it's a legitimate psyop and thus the question of whether it might be one is valid yet ultimately it doesn't change what they're doing and the impacts that it will have.

    Don't get me wrong I'd be the first one to pop a bottle of champagne if a smoking gun was discovered for this but it's not that likely to happen, and even if it does then it might well be years and years before it is found, so I'm not holding my breath for it.

    It's a bit of a walks like a duck/quacks like a duck situation as far as I'm concerned.

  • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 months ago

    Pretty much any major patsoc online seems to blow up out of nowhere despite having a message that ultimately turns off like 90% of people. It does seem very suspicious that they seem to get incredibly "popular" very quickly, and seem to have a lot of connections enabling them to be the "face" of socialism in the west (often visiting AES or other nations) I don't have any evidence, just a lot of conjecture though, it's suspicious, but that alone doesn't prove anything.

  • whogivesashit@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 months ago

    Personally knowing a couple, I would say it's mostly a result of realizing the obvious contradictions in capitalism and growing up in the center of fascist land. They're just very confused people

  • Coco0330 [comrade/them, comrade/them]
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    3 months ago

    LaRouche did have CIA ties and LaRouche was an influence to most Patsocs along with Browderism Duginism and Gallowayism Source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC4ZLdUVh1w https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche#CIA_ties