The people pointing out both sides have dogshit covid policy are not the ones not being apathetic. It's the liberals who all went back to brunch and demanded everything re-open.
Gaslighting is telling people that Covid isn’t a threat even though you know it’s not and you deliberately cooked the books to sell that delusion. Gaslighting is telling people you’re supposed to be responsible for governing that a vaccine that was never shown to stop the spread of a disease does, in fact, do that. Gaslighting is telling people that you must personally assess your own risk to a collective, public health crisis with the paltry tools that have been provided, then strip away or sabotage every last one of those tools so they cannot provide even a sliver of usefulness to anyone but the most bad faith interpretations.
All of these things are things both Amerikkka’s fascist wing and liberal, fascist-enabling wing have done and are currently doing (if they’re not outright ignoring it). To anyone with a pulse, there is no meaningful difference, and indeed they are so often intertwined.
You're gaslighting. His post was bookended with political critiques on how fascism and liberalism are the same thing, with a poor attempt to use COVID to prove his point.
Also, he's a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it's produced countless fascist regimes.
i think one of the aspects of fascism that really freaks out liberals is that fascism is the return of the policies they (casually or explicitly) support overseas to their homes and applied to them and their neighbors. i was reading that post-colonial analysis excerpt about how hitler did to the core what "heroic" churchill and his predecessors had been doing to india and other peoples/nations for decades. libs avoid any material analysis of the core/periphery or fascism because the connections make it obvious libs have no trouble enjoying the fruits of evil done elsewhere to secure markets, but bringing those same methods of repression and control home is the unspeakably evil act of a madman.
the idea that their poorly-interrogated political project creates and necessitates the very monster they fear is too much to grapple with for some.
I don't know how you came to leftist politics, but it seems like a more enlightened road than I took. You give liberals way too much credit to attribute a kind of motivation that requires a functional knowledge of modern empire.
Also, he's a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it's produced countless fascist regimes.
Remind me who funded the Nazis before WW2 began and then rescued them at its end. Then remind me who was conquering Berlin while Hitler was committing suicide.
he's a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it's produced countless fascist regimes.
Ironic, you should probably space out your protests about gaslighting a bit from your own fabrication of history.
It was third-way anti-communists who were the the base of movements that turned into fascist governments and it was Marxists that famously liberated Europe from that fascism.
Regardless, liberals broadly have enforced covid policy that is extremely harmful to people with disabilities. That's essentially an admission that their right to participate in society is measured by their 'value', that dealing with a pandemic properly has to take a back seat to what's good for the economy.
There's more than two political ideologies. The person you're replying to isn't talking about American political parties.
There's a lot of history and theory about how different ideologies, especially liberalism and fascism, interact with each other. This is what they were making reference to.
The fact that we care about life more than the blood altar of capital tends to make it easy to find us. And remember: losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing such battles in the real world.
Edit: imagine thinking that voting every few years for bourgeois puppets equals democracy. Real democracy is practiced in every home, school, and workplace every day by every person. Liberals don’t want to hear this, though, because they tend to do poorly when everyone everywhere is able and willing to participate in a truly democratic society 😉
If you want to really see how democratic the USA is, try forming a union in your workplace. Try protesting in a way that inconveniences capital. Try going to a city when you have no money or connections. Try speaking publicly about how Biden has given $75 billion+ to Ukrainian Nazis. Then see just how amazing and democratic life in the USA really is.
And yes, both sides are definitely bad, as evidenced by the fact that by any objective measure, everything in the USA is worse than it was when Trump was president. But thankfully there’s a third side called Marxism. If it didn’t work and it was really such a failure, then you wouldn’t be panicking daily about China’s rise. And if China is not actually communist, I assume you would have no issue with the CPC taking over the USA, since the result would be the same, right? Whatever human rights issues they supposedly have pale in comparison to the multiple ongoing genocides perpetrated by the USA’s ruling class. The Iraq War alone—supported by both American liberals and fascists—is far worse than anything the Nazis in the CIA say that China has done.
This is "both sides are bad" bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don't listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!
Biden has been in office for almost four years. Abortion was banned under his watch. He could have prevented it by expanding the supreme court - he chose not to. He chose to let thousands of women suffer and die.
Student loan forgiveness was promised by Biden - a promise he failed to deliver. Again, expanding the supreme court could have prevented this.
Biden has done absolutely nothing to stand up to the military-industrial complex. He pulled out of Afghanistan, then almost immediately began sending billions in "lethal aid" to Ukraine.
Biden has upheld the deportation laws at the Mexican border that Trump put in place. He is actively choosing to do that!
I don't understand how any rational person can look at Biden and say he's doing anything even slightly left-wing. He is not. Objective reality shows is that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) ARE the same because they are DOING the same thing. Ideology says they are different. Reality says they are the same. If you believe they are different, you are valuing ideology over reality.
Its not a both sides are bad. Its an academic discussion about the genealogy of facism. And when you look at protofacist regimes like the young turks its very clear their ideology has a basis in liberalism.
Man I was reading his comment and I was like what is this whataboutism nonsense he's talking about, then it made sense when I read your comment. Guess I gotta start looking at usernames again before reading comments
Oh, look, a HexBear dipshit in the wild! I wonder how we can figure them out so easily!
This is "both sides are bad" bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don't listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!
The people pointing out both sides have dogshit covid policy are not the ones not being apathetic. It's the liberals who all went back to brunch and demanded everything re-open.
Gaslighting is telling people that Covid isn’t a threat even though you know it’s not and you deliberately cooked the books to sell that delusion. Gaslighting is telling people you’re supposed to be responsible for governing that a vaccine that was never shown to stop the spread of a disease does, in fact, do that. Gaslighting is telling people that you must personally assess your own risk to a collective, public health crisis with the paltry tools that have been provided, then strip away or sabotage every last one of those tools so they cannot provide even a sliver of usefulness to anyone but the most bad faith interpretations.
All of these things are things both Amerikkka’s fascist wing and liberal, fascist-enabling wing have done and are currently doing (if they’re not outright ignoring it). To anyone with a pulse, there is no meaningful difference, and indeed they are so often intertwined.
Also, Marx was based.
You're gaslighting. His post was bookended with political critiques on how fascism and liberalism are the same thing, with a poor attempt to use COVID to prove his point.
Also, he's a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it's produced countless fascist regimes.
I am once again asking liberals to learn that 'fascist' isn't just a synonym for 'something I don't like.'
i think one of the aspects of fascism that really freaks out liberals is that fascism is the return of the policies they (casually or explicitly) support overseas to their homes and applied to them and their neighbors. i was reading that post-colonial analysis excerpt about how hitler did to the core what "heroic" churchill and his predecessors had been doing to india and other peoples/nations for decades. libs avoid any material analysis of the core/periphery or fascism because the connections make it obvious libs have no trouble enjoying the fruits of evil done elsewhere to secure markets, but bringing those same methods of repression and control home is the unspeakably evil act of a madman.
the idea that their poorly-interrogated political project creates and necessitates the very monster they fear is too much to grapple with for some.
I don't know how you came to leftist politics, but it seems like a more enlightened road than I took. You give liberals way too much credit to attribute a kind of motivation that requires a functional knowledge of modern empire.
Hannah Arendt and her (quite literally) Nazi-loving ass have been a disaster for political discussion in the anglosphere
deleted by creator
Remind me who funded the Nazis before WW2 began and then rescued them at its end. Then remind me who was conquering Berlin while Hitler was committing suicide.
I hate it here.
We were all having such a nice time.
Ironic, you should probably space out your protests about gaslighting a bit from your own fabrication of history.
It was third-way anti-communists who were the the base of movements that turned into fascist governments and it was Marxists that famously liberated Europe from that fascism.
Regardless, liberals broadly have enforced covid policy that is extremely harmful to people with disabilities. That's essentially an admission that their right to participate in society is measured by their 'value', that dealing with a pandemic properly has to take a back seat to what's good for the economy.
There's more than two political ideologies. The person you're replying to isn't talking about American political parties.
There's a lot of history and theory about how different ideologies, especially liberalism and fascism, interact with each other. This is what they were making reference to.
The fact that we care about life more than the blood altar of capital tends to make it easy to find us. And remember: losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing such battles in the real world.
Edit: imagine thinking that voting every few years for bourgeois puppets equals democracy. Real democracy is practiced in every home, school, and workplace every day by every person. Liberals don’t want to hear this, though, because they tend to do poorly when everyone everywhere is able and willing to participate in a truly democratic society 😉
If you want to really see how democratic the USA is, try forming a union in your workplace. Try protesting in a way that inconveniences capital. Try going to a city when you have no money or connections. Try speaking publicly about how Biden has given $75 billion+ to Ukrainian Nazis. Then see just how amazing and democratic life in the USA really is.
And yes, both sides are definitely bad, as evidenced by the fact that by any objective measure, everything in the USA is worse than it was when Trump was president. But thankfully there’s a third side called Marxism. If it didn’t work and it was really such a failure, then you wouldn’t be panicking daily about China’s rise. And if China is not actually communist, I assume you would have no issue with the CPC taking over the USA, since the result would be the same, right? Whatever human rights issues they supposedly have pale in comparison to the multiple ongoing genocides perpetrated by the USA’s ruling class. The Iraq War alone—supported by both American liberals and fascists—is far worse than anything the Nazis in the CIA say that China has done.
lmao this really is all politics is to shitlibs
I do vote every year and have since I turned 18
Last year I wrote in names for every candidate
here's who I voted for
Biden has been in office for almost four years. Abortion was banned under his watch. He could have prevented it by expanding the supreme court - he chose not to. He chose to let thousands of women suffer and die.
Student loan forgiveness was promised by Biden - a promise he failed to deliver. Again, expanding the supreme court could have prevented this.
Biden has done absolutely nothing to stand up to the military-industrial complex. He pulled out of Afghanistan, then almost immediately began sending billions in "lethal aid" to Ukraine.
Biden has upheld the deportation laws at the Mexican border that Trump put in place. He is actively choosing to do that!
I don't understand how any rational person can look at Biden and say he's doing anything even slightly left-wing. He is not. Objective reality shows is that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) ARE the same because they are DOING the same thing. Ideology says they are different. Reality says they are the same. If you believe they are different, you are valuing ideology over reality.
The good cop brought me some chips, the bad cop yelled at me, how dare you suggest that the good cop and bad cop are the same!
Its not a both sides are bad. Its an academic discussion about the genealogy of facism. And when you look at protofacist regimes like the young turks its very clear their ideology has a basis in liberalism.
Thank you, I will vote at least a dozen times in at least a dozen counties just for you. Be the change you want to see in the world.
"Waaaah waaaah ad hominem attacks waaah"
Man I was reading his comment and I was like what is this whataboutism nonsense he's talking about, then it made sense when I read your comment. Guess I gotta start looking at usernames again before reading comments
Guess you need to put down the Harry Potter and read actual theory/history before discussing topics about which you are willfully ignorant.
please god go back to
deleted by creator