I don't know why I'm surprised they don't but I really expected that maybe this time they would care even a tiny bit.

Like they kinda sorta cared a little bit about healthcare for a minute and that blew over, and then they kinda sorta cared about minority rights for longer than I expected so that was cool but these issues are actually kind of historically complex and difficult to solve so I wasn't too surprised when libs just... fucking forgot. Climate change, me too, student loan debt...all sorta kinda complex in certain ways.

But genocide is so simple. It's probably the least complicated issue that libs have ever had to confront. Bombs go out children go boom it cannot be less complicated.

And yet here we are with libs across America hand wringing about how well it's maybe not genocide and maybe it's somehow complicated and maybe we should talk about it after we defeat Trump who we're SURE will do this complicated thing we can't quite understand worse somehow.

I guess if genocide staring libs in the actual face isn't enough to get them to care a tiny itty bitty bit about maybe trying to do something good for once...is there anything that possibly could? I can't imagine much worse of a thing than literal genocide. Maybe libs are just wholly incapable of using their brains or their hearts in any capacity at all.

And if that's the case is there any hope at all? I know there is but man this moment watching this election and everyone cheering wholeheartedly for as much genocide as they possibly can might be one of the most hopeless I've ever felt

  • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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    2 months ago

    This was the whole point of spending several decades telling American liberals that the global left is literally worse than nazis. Biden himself helped spread a myth about genocide being committed in China. Now your average lib believe the dems are the best thing even theoretically possible, so you just have to accept some genocide. It's incoherent, but we haven't been trained to think about politics in a rigorous way. The other problem is actual genocide doesn't bother a lot of people.

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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      2 months ago

      "I think they're both genocidal freaks."

      "Who are they genociding?"

      "The Palestinians"

      "So you think Kamala is worse than Cheeto head?"

      It's a smart play, really. You can't deny genocide if you literally don't comment on it or care about the core of my opinion (frustrating an oppressor is... le good! There are conditions where it would be unreasonable to condemn someone for violent resistance. The damage done to the oppressor in pursuit of the cessation of their subjugation is almost certainly irrelevant).

    • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      The other problem is actual genocide doesn't bother a lot of people.

      That's because the entire West is and for centuries was founded upon and sustained itself upon the shoulders of genocide. It is literally baked into western civilization and in particular the US.

    • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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      2 months ago

      Biden himself helped spread a myth about genocide being committed in China.

      In a vacuum, idfk. You probably could make some kind of argument regarding the very rapid industrial expansion of the Chinese bureaucracy into Xinjiang and the callousness with which state officials imposed national policy over the heads of locals.

      But when Uighur=Genocide but Hamas=Had-it-Coming, what the fuck is any sane leftist supposed to say about China? We went from pointing to rapid urbanization of the western frontier and saying "This is a ruthless land grab by an imperial power!" to covering our eyes in Rafa and Beirut and Isfahan while shouting "Israel has a right to exist, okay!"

      The other problem is actual genocide doesn't bother a lot of people.

      Genocide is just another political team sport. When the Bad Guys are doing genocide, its not bad because its the obliteration of whole population centers. Its bad because those populations were on Your Team and They're Scoring Points Against You every time a swath of humanity gets culled like so much wheat caught in a combine. Israelis rant about Oct 7th because they're upset Palestine put points on the board. That's all.

      It's the same shit with Cuba and Venezuela and Haiti back on our side of the planet. The inhumanity is just Good Ethnicity scoring points on Bad Ethnicity. Its a big fucking game and we're all just cheering for our side.

      • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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        2 months ago

        It's the same shit with Cuba and Venezuela and Haiti back on our side of the planet.

        What genocide did they commit? Please, we would like to know.

        • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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          2 months ago

          What genocide did they commit?

          The US has been trying to alternately starve Cuba and Venezuela into submission and fuel armed insurrection since their respective revolutions began. And Haiti has been under siege for centuries. How long do you get to commit social murder before it qualifies as genocide?

          Americans are utterly blase about this industrial killing. But as soon as Haitian migrants get to Ohio, they start to notice the violence that's taking place inside their own borders. Democrats only seem capable of acknowledging the humanity of people once their inside the magic border line.

          • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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            2 months ago

            Ohhh I thought you meant Cuba, Venezuela, and Haiti were commiting a genocide.

            I've heard yanks yap about that before, that's why I asked you.

            • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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              2 months ago

              Ohhh I thought you meant Cuba, Venezuela, and Haiti were commiting a genocide.

              No. Sorry, that was some terrible phrasing if it came across that way.

      • UlyssesT
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      • Hexboare [they/them]
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        2 months ago

        The inhumanity is just Good Ethnicity scoring points on Bad Ethnicity. Its a big fucking game and we're all just cheering for our side.

        please read a book

        Also did you just fucking compare

        the callousness with which state officials imposed national policy over the heads of locals

        With Israel leveling hospitals in Gaza?

        fedposting log off and jog on mate

        • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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          2 months ago

          the callousness with which state officials imposed national policy over the heads of locals

          With Israel leveling hospitals in Gaza?

          I can't imagine a better comparison of ostensibly democratic state officials callously disregarding local public opinion than Biden sending bombs to Netanyahu to murder your Nan living abroad.