Western PA and Pittsburgh can be "Midwest" if it wants, but the rest of PA isn't and the majority of the state doesn't qualify, so we'd have to balkanize.
Ohio’s often an is or isn’t it inclusion in the Midwest for good reason. We’re kinda split between Appalachia, the Great Lakes/Northeast, the Midwest, and the South. And, with all that the Midwest is probably the dominant bit by landmass, but one of the weaker areas by population.
(Also an original mostly-lurker hexbearite, and probably primarily responsible for midwest.social starting to see our communities. 👋)
Real response to get some shit started:
Core Midwest: Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa
Upper Midwest: Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Outer Midwest: ND, SD, Nebraska (parts at least)
I will never recognize: Missouri
Everything else below Nebraska is "Plains" IMO.
South of the Ohio River is upper south.
Western PA and Pittsburgh can be "Midwest" if it wants, but the rest of PA isn't and the majority of the state doesn't qualify, so we'd have to balkanize.
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Agreed Missouri doesn't count, (former) slave states can't be midwest
Does John Brown’s Kansas territory get to be in the Midwest club?
Yes on a technicality
Ohio’s often an is or isn’t it inclusion in the Midwest for good reason. We’re kinda split between Appalachia, the Great Lakes/Northeast, the Midwest, and the South. And, with all that the Midwest is probably the dominant bit by landmass, but one of the weaker areas by population.
(Also an original mostly-lurker hexbearite, and probably primarily responsible for midwest.social starting to see our communities. 👋)
aka the midwest
Ouch.
See this is the sort of shit I was hoping for
As a Midwest, I agree with this.
how can iowa be part of the core, but not wisconsin or michigan??
the core midwest are the great lakes states: wisconsin, michigan, illinois, minnesota. i’ll typically put indiana in there too
then, there’s the peripheral midwest, which i typically consider part of the midwest: iowa, ohio, nd, sd
finally, there’s the not-really-midwest: nebraska, western PA
Iowa is the paradigm midwest state, how the fuck can it be peripheral??
that’s fair - i’d be comfortable moving iowa into the core. i left it on the periphery because western iowa is very much great plains-esque
regardless, if iowa is in the core, then so is wisconsin and michigan
This but I think eastern Ohio is more the East than it is Midwest.