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Dealing With October 7: 'Trauma Is Like a Scar, or a Tumor, and It Ripples Out to Friends and Families'

Ilana Kwartin talks about setting up a space to help traumatized victims of October 7 and the war with non-traditional, mind-body methods: 'This is a huge change in our Israeliness. It's not for nothing that the Shin Bet, the Mossad and the police send us their people'

  • glans [it/its]
    hexagon
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    2 months ago

    yo thanks for educating me. you're right that I had understood it is lots of people who could easily go elsewhere.

    As you describe it, a very difficult situation on the individual level.

    I've met all kinds of Europeans and there is no doubt in my mind their guilt about the holocaust only continues as long as they don't have to deal much with Jewish people. As long as they are like a historical artifact. Just like Americans might feel bad about the genocides so long as indigenous people are confined to the Past.

    It makes me think, about organizing in other countries to offer an exit strategy for these people. If they are feeling like caged animals having things thrown at them from all sides, then they will be acting in self-defense. OK, even though broadly speaking they're in the wrong, they were born that way and not making the decision to be there.

    So would it make sense for us to create a path for these people to de escalate by leaving their occupied homes, offering to set them up elsewhere? If you could get a guarantee of amnesty from the future governments of Palestine.. if you leave in 2025 we will not prosecute you for your crimes, we will not come after you for reparations. But that would incentivize the richest and the worst of course.

    You'd basically have to include some kind of re-education component in this, in order to not be seeding the local territory with future violence.

    Obviously just spitballing from an uninformed person.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 months ago

      rat-salute-2

      It makes me think, about organizing in other countries to offer an exit strategy for these people. If they are feeling like caged animals having things thrown at them from all sides, then they will be acting in self-defense. OK, even though broadly speaking they're in the wrong, they were born that way and not making the decision to be there.

      I hadn't ever considered that, and I think it's a good idea and worth looking in to. I agree that for many people, whether they're ardent zionists or not, they likely feel trapped with no alternatives but to continue their war. Even if we could just siphon off cowardly zionists who believe in Zionism as long as they're not expected to die for it that would still deprive Israel of labor power and potential soldiers. There's a number of parts in The Art of War where Sun Tzu advocates for subverting your enemies or capturing their forces intact so you can either convert them to your side or make use of them for your own ends. Your thinking is on the same lines as the great strategists of old.

      • glans [it/its]
        hexagon
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        2 months ago

        But does sun tzu have any advice on how to avoid doing operation paperclip?

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 months ago

          I imagine Sun Tzu would 100% support Paperclip it's exactly his kind of deal.

          Kidnapping siege engineers, artisans, and anyone else who seemed useful has been a pretty normal part of warfare for as long as there's been warfare. If the mongols were going to burn your city down and kill everyone in it yelling that you had a useful craft or skill was one of the few ways to be spared.