It's a situation that I have been expecting for a while, but I wasn't fully ready to accept it. Specifically it's one of my LGBTQ friends who honestly believes in the democrats will protect them and their partner. I have tried to make the point that both parties are eroding any sort of civility towards all marginalized groups, but fear seems to drive them more than logical observations. They make the excuse that change doesn't happen over night and that the left continues to grow and will have meaningful affects down the road. I fundamentally just don't agree with that idea and vocalize it regularly. More and more it is ending up in a circular argument where I am painted as unrealistic and my rhetoric (leftist rhetoric) is doing more harm than good because it promotes distrust in the only system we have to work with. I try to tell them it's kind of the whole point. We gotta start somewhere if we want to see a better, more representative system, but they are so hung up on the immediate future while simultaneously saying that my idealistic feelings are shortsighted and I cant expect change in the immediate future... The double-talk is wild, I know.

I am trying my hardest to stop from engaging at this point because on the most basic level we agree on a lot of stuff, but they are just way to wrapped up in the fear mongering of the democratic party. They know that the two party system is broken, they know that something drastic needs to change, but they also think that they are powerless to do anything except choose the lesser evil. It pains me because I am watching them do the same shit past generations have done, where they give up on their ideals for the sake of preserving the current status quo that they benefit from. I am legitimately watching them imply "fuck you, got mine" under the guise of civic duty and I hate it. I want nothing more than to be able to finally say "I told you so" without being a smug asshole about it and ruining our friendship.

Thanks for reading my rant. It's probably a bit disjointed, but the frustration is boiling over and I needed to vent to the only group of people that seems to understand the hopelessness of being a disenfranchised leftist.

  • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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    a month ago

    The current sticking point with my wife is that it's about getting control of the Supreme Court back, given the assumption that Alito and Thomas will retire/die and (a) the Democrats won't appoint Alito's/Thomas's preferred successors in the name of unity, and (b) the Republicans won't hold open the vacancy to get concessions and/or wait until a Republican president comes into office as they successfully did with Garland. Refusing to budge because of Palestine is "making this about me" and failing to understand that Harris needs the Jewish vote in PA (I pointed out that she also needs the Muslim vote in Michigan, no response).

    Nobody else, even fairly close friends, has opined on politics around me and I don't bring it up, so I'm not sure what everyone around me is thinking.

    • Tomboymoder [she/her, pup/pup's]
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      a month ago

      I just can't understand how people have seen in this last year alone how blatantly broken the Supreme Court is as a system and their response is "we just have to play this broken game even harder" so-true
      especially when the odds of conservative judges dying and being replaced in the next 4 years are so slim in and of itself.
      so much has happened this year alone that I thought would wake up libs even slightly....and it just hasn't at all.

    • elpaso [he/him]
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      a month ago

      I'm trying to leave the US primarily because of Alito and Thomas.

      Obgerfell will likely be overturned next session. It will be horrific.

      • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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        a month ago

        Kinda feeling like I should've skipped town when I had the chance but instead I chose to build a life here under the assumption that things could be fixed.

        • elpaso [he/him]
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          a month ago

          I have to leave. I came out of the closet after being in for 20 years (Thanks Oklahoma and Texas) and I got baby reindeered so bad I had to get a protective order. I'd my family finds out I will spend a five figures amount on legal fees to get more protective orders in place.

          I hate having to take a paycut, but this is survival

    • nothx [he/him]
      hexagon
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      a month ago

      Yeah, that is the major sticking point I have seen as well. Which I understand except for the other things you just laid out. I can't comfortably trust that anyone of these ghouls is going to do right by citizens.