I use Firefox and Firefox Mobile on the desktop and Android respectively, Chromium with Bromite patches on Android, and infrequently Brave on the desktop to get to sites that only work properly with Chromium (more and more often - another whole separate can of worms too, this...) And I always pay attention to disable google.com and gstatic.com in NoScript and uBlock Origin whenever possible.
I noticed something quite striking: when I hit sites that use those hateful captchas from Google - aka "reCAPTCHA" that I know are from Google because they force me to temporarily reenable google.com and gstatic.com - statistically, Google quite consistently marks the captcha as passed with the green checkmark without even asking me to identify fire hydrants or bicycles once, or perhaps once but the test passes even if I purposedly don't select certain images, and almost never serves me those especially heinous "rolling captchas" that keep coming up with more and more images to identify or not as you click on them until it apparently has annoyed you enough and lets you through.
When I use Firefox however, the captchas never pass without at least one test, sometimes several in a row, and very often rolling captchas. And if I purposedly don't select certain images for the sake of experimentation, the captchas keep on coming and coming and coming forever - and if I keep doing it long enough, they plain never stop and the site become impossible to access.
Only with Firefox. Never with Chromium-based browsers.
I've been experimenting with this informally for months now and it's quite clear to me that Google has a dark pattern in place with its reCAPTCHA system to make Chrome and Chromium-based browsers the path of least resistance.
It's really disgusting...
It's not necessary targeted like that. Remember Chrome sends a lot of information about the user, allowing them to more easily gauge if it's a bot. Firefox hides a lot of information, blocks a lot of third party scripts by default, and even sends fake information for some things. For all intents and purposes, Firefox looks much more like a bot than Chrome.
With that said, I use Firefox exclusively and don't have anywhere near as many issues as you seem to.
Remember Chrome sends a lot of information about the user
Remember, I use the equivalent of Bromite on Android and Brave on the desktop. Those are not Chrome: they're heavily privacy enhanced. By your theory, those browsers too should serve you more annoying reCAPTCHA more often, just like Firefox. But they don't: even on those privacy-respecting Chromium forks, you can get past reCAPTCHA much easier.
I use Firefox exclusively and don’t have anywhere near as many issues as you seem to.
Try using Chromium side by side and the subtle extra difficulties of sailing through the Googlespace become quite apparent. As long as you stick to Firefox, you don't realize that the Chromium experience is ever-so-slightly slicker on many websites.
I wonder what happens if you spoof your user agent. It's probably a deeper issue, but might be worth a try.
I know google sites (especially Google search) are a much more polished experience on Chrome, but I haven't had an unusable experience on Firefox, I don't notice a problem.
I think I missed that that isn't your point. You're saying google streamlines things for people on Chromium to make it a nicer experience, making it harder to switch away. And I think you're right about that.
but I haven’t had an unusable experience on Firefox, I don’t notice a problem.
There are quite a few online web stores I patronize in which the shopping cart is broken, or the checkout is broken and there's no way of paying in Firefox.
My bank's online banking site is broken too in Firefox. It's okay to pay for things and display basic checking account information, but more detailed personal finance pages are unusable.
My company's ERP is half broken in Firefox.
And quite a few porn sites I download stuff off of are broken too in Firefox.
And that's with NoScript, uBlock Origin and Ghostery fully disabled.
Obviously all those sites are streamlined to work well with Chromium or Chromium-based browser because - surprise surprise - it's the most common browser type, which is exactly the position Google wanted to place itself in. It's was very same problem when websites were designed to work primarily with Explorer, when Microsoft dominated the browser space many years ago.
This is not my experience. For the sites I frequent, though Firefox is generally not listed as a supported browser anymore, the sites work fine. That includes banking and any random shopping cart site. That's probably because in my country there are common payment portals, and for you the common payment portals are probably different.
One site I have trouble with is one for health insurance, but a user agent spoofed to look like Chrome makes the site work fine (I hate so much that they do this, and have complained but I'm just one customer).
You're most likely logged into the browser with your Google account in Chrome. I'm sure they take that into account as well.
Keep in mind that basic bots don't render or process certain page elements - like javascript. So VPN plus noScript/uBlock plus obscured data plus no preexisting cookies and possibly unique fingerprint from all your previous interactions (depending on your privacy settings)... It all adds to possible bot behavior. In my mind, getting caprcha'd is a good thing. It may mean google has low confidence that it knows who I am.
In my mind, getting caprcha’d is a good thing. It may mean google has low confidence that it knows who I am.
That is possibly the most unique outlook I've read about today.
There's nothing good about captchas: it's an insult to human intelligence, it's forced unpair labor and each time I get one, I want to murder someone.
In a normal world, your statement would be utterly insane. But in our dystopian surveillance economy society, it's actually a rational and interesting point of view, and one that turns captchas into a useful indicator of how well you manage to evade said corporate surveillance.
Interesting. Thank you for that.
However, If you're right and Googles serves fewer captchas to those they can track better and not just those who run Chromium as I suspect, it also means privacy-enhanced Chromium-based browsers don't hold a candle to Firefox. That's not great news considering Chromium is the new de-factor standard and some websites only work okay in Chromium.
I just use captcha buster extension in Firefox, captchas are just stupid and it makes more problems for humans than for robots.
especially the newer ones that look like trying to see nipples on scrambled cable in the 90s.
My eyes are already shit that I can barely make out the normal images, how the fuck do you expect me to make out this god damn LSD fever dream shit?
Tell that to anyone running a website with a pubic facing form - including register and login forms.
My experience was that when solving captchas where you select pics on the grid and other pics load and replace the selected ones within the same round. in firefox it tends to play those fade-in fade-out very slowly. while on chrome they appear instantly.
Unfortunatly I can't expand my obveservation just based on my own anecdotal experience. have you noticed the same behaviour ?
Do you use a VPN by chance? I get really annoying CAPTCHAs with my VPN on.
Google doesn't like things that make the user less identifiable, so they strike back however they can without it being too obvious.
I have to do a captcha on basically every cloudflare site with my VPN on.
No VPN. I hit those websites from work or from my work cellphone.
Google doesn’t like things that make the user less identifiable, so they strike back however they can without it being too obvious.
I reckon so too.
And also, I believe they coax people into adopting Chrome or Chromium-based browsers by making alternatives harder or more annoying to use, so that the browser landscape eventually becomes a monoculture they can control. Once Gecko-based browsers are finally extinct, they'll go after the Chromium forks.
Yeah, it's true but with https://github.com/dessant/buster I don't give a fuck with their reCAPTCHA xDD
That's weird, I use Waterfox and I occasionally get to do some kind of "puzzle", but other times I just need to click the reCaptcha and it will confirm itself (with the green check)
Ironically, when I use Vivaldi, the captcha doesn't even load, and when it loads, it says it's wrong regardless of the answer I give it, so I'm always locked and that's quite literally the only reason I stopped using Vivaldi.
On Edge I need to fill in puzzles ALL THE TIME, that's also why I stopped using Edge (apart from the bloatware and the uBlock not working there)
I deal with that BS all the time, although I don't have the issue when I don't use a VPN
Jeez, just faced the forever recaptcha a couple of days back. I used Firefox web and the recaptcha was a sold 5+ kinds (select cars, buses, motorcycle, signals...). I kinda half thought that it was some sort of gag after seeing it go on for what seemed like forever. Thankfully I made it through and it will not change my decision to stick with Firefox.
Side note - Firefox for Android recently freezes and crashes when you use the Google search in the private view. Also seems intentional
Wish we had some extension which could skip these CAPTCHA shits. I normally surf on mull (forked Firefox) though sometime have to use cromite (fork of bromite which is a fork of chromium) to access websites peacefully.
Oh, you said your blocking google.com and gstatic.com? Try privacy badger, Google uses a million other domains to track as well (Google Fonts for example) and privacy badger will let you find and block those kinds from domains from tracking or at least from leaving cookies if they are required for the site to work.
