i don't want anyone in the white house, because the US president is the head blood-priest of a slaughter machine. That's what it is no matter who is in office. The only path to anything we'd like would be complete dismantling of the entire US state apparatus, the economy it functions on, and the balkanization of US land. It should probably balkanize into regional authorities of Native American tribal councils, worker owned communities, given back to Mexico, etc. Who knows how that would shake out.
Honestly I'm probably a bit more lax on the whole electoral thing than most of my hexbear comrades here, like I genuinely don't care about voting in bourgeoise elections and don't think it makes people necessarily complicit in anything, since I don't think the electoral process is attached to any actual levers of authority. It's on the same level as wishing on a star to me, or blowing out birthday candles. Every vote you make in the US outside of very specific regional referendums is pointless, since everything at a federal level has long since been captured by bourgeois interests. And I actually can kinda sympathize with people who'd want to vote for Harris, especially people in my family who suddenly found it a lot harder to get healthcare for instance. Ectopic pregnancies are common in my family for instance, so it is frightening to think our abortion rights are getting stripped. I swear I'm not an ultra though lmao
But at the same time, it just doesn't matter. The stripping of abortion rights happened during a democrat administration. Biden did jack and shit even when a multitude of options are available. Both him and Harris are signing off on continuing weapons shipments to Israel, and Harris seems to stand for nothing other than continued Zionism.
so you should at least try to sympathize why people would simply not care, or would actively dislike both candidates. you should easily be able to understand why literal communists/anarchists would find it distasteful to offer even ceremonial support for the Democratic Party, which is quite literally an organization currently carrying out a genocide and has no signs of ceasing any time soon.
I came here not trying to convince anyone that Harris is good, but that Trump is worse.
You came here trying to get people to vote for kamala, stop this bullshit ffs.
Between that and the fact that Trump is spouting fascist rhetoric, in my opinion, he is worse than Harris.
The fact that you write this after the deluge of responses you've gotten shows you are in no way interested in a good faith discussion.
I read articles just yesterday about Trump talking to Netanyahu almost every day to undermine any talks that may have stopped Israel’s genocide.
"May have" my fucking god. It's always this with you people. "Behind closed doors", "suggested that", "implied that", "in the future might", "could be". When I pretend to throw a ball to fool my dog, it at least stops and looks back at me at some point. At least my dog is smart enough to realise it's been tricked.
Kamala is openly talking about increasing support to Israel. The government has just sent soldiers to Israel, they give them billions. You people keep saying Trump will genocide "worse". There's concentration camps and mass graves right now, it doesn't get much worse. And do you understand what a genocide is? Do you understand what it's purpose is? Extermination. I'm sure the people being murdered will be happy to hear it's at the hands of a POC woman this time.
When Trump bombed syria you were all out on the streets ready to fight the power. Now that Kamala is campaigning on doing more genocide all you can say is "but Trump"! They're the same you massive ingrate
When I pretend to throw a ball to fool my dog, it at least stops and looks back at me at some point. At least my dog is smart enough to realise it's been tricked.
Damn, the lib's gonna need some burn heal for that one!
At the same time you're a silly conspiracy theorist for thinking the people in power with shared interests have secret meetings in dark rooms behind closed doors where they plan what they should do.
I came here not trying to convince anyone that Harris is good, but that Trump is worse.
And you also came in here with a concern troll mindset trying to cudgel people into participating in an electoral process that we fundamentally reject and that is why everyone is telling you to fuck off.
Stop. Just fucking stop. You are insulting all of us and humiliating yourself.
There is zero historical evidence to prove either one of these monsters will be "less bad" than the other. Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil. Harris forced trans women into mens prisons, is committed to building Trump's wall, is committed to continuing to arm a genocidal apartheid state in the name of imperialism, is against giving us healthcare, is anti-union, will not protect abortion rights.
All your arguments to vote for her have already been disproven so please just pipe the fuck down and if you want to hang around here stop this electoralism bullshit and start listening to people that know a metric fuckton more about how the world actually works than you clearly do.
If I come across as aggressive it's because I am and we are all sick and tired of hearing all this same shit from liberals.
If I ever start arguing with someone I make a point to let someone else do the banning. If someone just says some outright hateful shit I just ban them right away
Which wing of the capitalist party helms the yankee reich is no concern of mine
Voting for someone who is arming a genocide is support of genocide
Every harris voter has blood on their hands
enlighten me then, how allowing Trump to get into office is the better alternative?
Ah my mistake the current democratic regime hasn't deported more people than Trump, started more wars, increased funding of the police and the MIC, increased tensions with China, banned the import of cheap EVs and solar cells, expanded fracking to hell and back, cracked down on unions, done fuck-all to protect Roe V. Wade as they were warned it would be overturned, just sent 100 soldiers to Israel as the country is putting palestinians in mass graves and concentration camps, proudly come out in favour of states rights as it comes to queer rights, cracked down violently on protesters, and so much more. Silly me.
Trump isn't worse, you people just give a shit when it's the red team in office. As long as it's blue team you can Go Back To Brunch and have Normalcy.
You should be ashamed. Do the world a favour and change yourself into something less polluting.
They both suck equal amounts of shit and if you vote for either of them you are actively making them suck more by way of validating them in the knowledge that sucking shit is cool and good.
Please enlighten me why the democrats would ever get better if they know they can get away with genocide. Somehow I have a feeling that hell will be worse than a senile man, hated by all, shitting himself to death in the oval office. It's what we have currently.
In the least amount of effort (similar to th act of voting really) voting non third party until one of them loses enough times to get sick of FPTP and institute ranked/preference voting models
Please, enlighten me then, how allowing Trump to get into office is the better alternative?
Oh, you don’t support Red or Blue?
Tell me how we get someone that’s not either of these fucks into the White House?
i don't want anyone in the white house, because the US president is the head blood-priest of a slaughter machine. That's what it is no matter who is in office. The only path to anything we'd like would be complete dismantling of the entire US state apparatus, the economy it functions on, and the balkanization of US land. It should probably balkanize into regional authorities of Native American tribal councils, worker owned communities, given back to Mexico, etc. Who knows how that would shake out.
Honestly I'm probably a bit more lax on the whole electoral thing than most of my hexbear comrades here, like I genuinely don't care about voting in bourgeoise elections and don't think it makes people necessarily complicit in anything, since I don't think the electoral process is attached to any actual levers of authority. It's on the same level as wishing on a star to me, or blowing out birthday candles. Every vote you make in the US outside of very specific regional referendums is pointless, since everything at a federal level has long since been captured by bourgeois interests. And I actually can kinda sympathize with people who'd want to vote for Harris, especially people in my family who suddenly found it a lot harder to get healthcare for instance. Ectopic pregnancies are common in my family for instance, so it is frightening to think our abortion rights are getting stripped. I swear I'm not an ultra though lmao
But at the same time, it just doesn't matter. The stripping of abortion rights happened during a democrat administration. Biden did jack and shit even when a multitude of options are available. Both him and Harris are signing off on continuing weapons shipments to Israel, and Harris seems to stand for nothing other than continued Zionism.
so you should at least try to sympathize why people would simply not care, or would actively dislike both candidates. you should easily be able to understand why literal communists/anarchists would find it distasteful to offer even ceremonial support for the Democratic Party, which is quite literally an organization currently carrying out a genocide and has no signs of ceasing any time soon.
Thank you for taking the time to write that.
I generally agree the current system is broken, both sides have no interest in doing what’s best for humans.
I came here not trying to convince anyone that Harris is good, but that Trump is worse.
I read articles just yesterday about Trump talking to Netanyahu almost every day to undermine any talks that may have stopped Israel’s genocide.
Between that and the fact that Trump is spouting fascist rhetoric, in my opinion, he is worse than Harris.
You came here trying to get people to vote for kamala, stop this bullshit ffs.
The fact that you write this after the deluge of responses you've gotten shows you are in no way interested in a good faith discussion.
"May have" my fucking god. It's always this with you people. "Behind closed doors", "suggested that", "implied that", "in the future might", "could be". When I pretend to throw a ball to fool my dog, it at least stops and looks back at me at some point. At least my dog is smart enough to realise it's been tricked.
Kamala is openly talking about increasing support to Israel. The government has just sent soldiers to Israel, they give them billions. You people keep saying Trump will genocide "worse". There's concentration camps and mass graves right now, it doesn't get much worse. And do you understand what a genocide is? Do you understand what it's purpose is? Extermination. I'm sure the people being murdered will be happy to hear it's at the hands of a POC woman this time.
When Trump bombed syria you were all out on the streets ready to fight the power. Now that Kamala is campaigning on doing more genocide all you can say is "but Trump"! They're the same you massive ingrate
Damn, the lib's gonna need some burn heal for that one!
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At the same time you're a silly conspiracy theorist for thinking the people in power with shared interests have secret meetings in dark rooms behind closed doors where they plan what they should do.
None of this changes the undeniable fact that if you give your vote to Kamala Harris you are endorsing genocide.
That's what it all boils down to. You can't wriggle your way out of this.
And you also came in here with a concern troll mindset trying to cudgel people into participating in an electoral process that we fundamentally reject and that is why everyone is telling you to fuck off.
Stop. Just fucking stop. You are insulting all of us and humiliating yourself.
There is zero historical evidence to prove either one of these monsters will be "less bad" than the other. Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil. Harris forced trans women into mens prisons, is committed to building Trump's wall, is committed to continuing to arm a genocidal apartheid state in the name of imperialism, is against giving us healthcare, is anti-union, will not protect abortion rights.
All your arguments to vote for her have already been disproven so please just pipe the fuck down and if you want to hang around here stop this electoralism bullshit and start listening to people that know a metric fuckton more about how the world actually works than you clearly do.
If I come across as aggressive it's because I am and we are all sick and tired of hearing all this same shit from liberals.
It must be fun being a mod so you can ensure you always get the last word, if you ever need to.
I would not be responsible with a thread like this
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If I ever start arguing with someone I make a point to let someone else do the banning. If someone just says some outright hateful shit I just ban them right away
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Which wing of the capitalist party helms the yankee reich is no concern of mine
Voting for someone who is arming a genocide is support of genocide
Every harris voter has blood on their hands
Ah my mistake the current democratic regime hasn't deported more people than Trump, started more wars, increased funding of the police and the MIC, increased tensions with China, banned the import of cheap EVs and solar cells, expanded fracking to hell and back, cracked down on unions, done fuck-all to protect Roe V. Wade as they were warned it would be overturned, just sent 100 soldiers to Israel as the country is putting palestinians in mass graves and concentration camps, proudly come out in favour of states rights as it comes to queer rights, cracked down violently on protesters, and so much more. Silly me.
Trump isn't worse, you people just give a shit when it's the red team in office. As long as it's blue team you can Go Back To Brunch and have Normalcy.
You should be ashamed. Do the world a favour and change yourself into something less polluting.
They both suck equal amounts of shit and if you vote for either of them you are actively making them suck more by way of validating them in the knowledge that sucking shit is cool and good.
Please enlighten me why the democrats would ever get better if they know they can get away with genocide. Somehow I have a feeling that hell will be worse than a senile man, hated by all, shitting himself to death in the oval office. It's what we have currently.
Join an org.
Political power grows out the barrel of a gun.
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In the least amount of effort (similar to th act of voting really) voting non third party until one of them loses enough times to get sick of FPTP and institute ranked/preference voting models
Here's our plan for the white house, hope it helps clear things up for you;