I don't know about others, but I am aware of it. I actively disregard it. I wouldn't call it a flaw, but a feature.
Same. It's refreshing to be able to stab someone directly in the ignorance and twist the knife knowing that they're both expected to understand the arena they've walked in to and that there are countless thousands of pages of analysis and discussion that have built up here over the years if they want to learn anything. No Hanlon's Razor bullshit, no ritualized civility, but also not the performative cruetly of 4chan. A bad question asked in good faith can be answered in good faith. An ignorant person who is willing to consider new ideas, to learn, can be helped.
But trolls and fanatics? Flay them.
I think we do echo chamber with dope ass bear characteristics at times, but also the Overton Window here is far to the left of what is considered sane and acceptable in Western Politics, and as a result many ideas that would be acceptable in "I'm as left as they come but" spaces are met with razors and lemon juice here.
And there's also a strong defensive reflex built up from being basically political pariahs in wider society. When everyone in your real life thinks you're morally equivalent to a Nazi because they think you support a bunch of genocides and repressions that mostly didn't happen having someone come in to the only anti-tankie mine free space in the Western internet saying lib shit tends to trigger everyone's fight response.
I think we do echo chamber with dope ass bear characteristics at times, but also the Overton Window here is far to the left of what is considered sane and acceptable in Western Politics
ohoho au contraire my dear pal, for you see, you have stumbled upon my rhetorical trap! heheehhe, you see by disagreeing with me on this point, you have proven my point that this is not an echo chamberspontaneusly grows a fancy and somehow already waxed moustache which I then begin to twirl you have been duped by.. The Rhetoritician! Eeeeheheheheeheehe
No but you're right. I just wanted to push against the idea we're somehow more of an echo chamber than anywhere else. It's not like lemmy.world isn't just a big box of libs patting each other on the back. This place was really bad before federation, so much self-congratulatory posting about not being reddit and pointless struggle sessions.
as a result many ideas that would be acceptable in "I'm as left as they come but" spaces are met with razors and lemon juice here.
You made me (fondly) remember the lib who cried about me telling them they'd get the shit kicked out of them if they were in my org for trivializing genocide and doing all the classic lib condescention.
ohoho au contraire my dear pal, for you see, you have stumbled upon my rhetorical trap! heheehhe, you see by disagreeing with me on this point, you have proven my point that this is not an echo chamber spontaneusly grows a fancy and somehow already waxed moustache which I then begin to twirl you have been duped by.. The Rhetoritician! Eeeeheheheheeheehe
The Rhetoritician would with zero irony make a great character for a post-dirtbag left pod and/or stage production. Especially if every once in a while Plato (was Plato the guy who hated rhetoric?) Would swing in on a rope and start a wrestling match.
The main thing I know about Plato is that he would write his master to say "Oh I'm so humble, I don't know anything!" while clearly not actually believing it and then put in other characters that would say shit like "Wow Socrates you are super humble and also smart and correct!"
The Rhetoritician would with zero irony make a great character for a post-dirtbag left pod and/or stage production.
This is a massive compliment. Genuinely thank you, this made me happy.
Same. It's refreshing to be able to stab someone directly in the ignorance and twist the knife knowing that they're both expected to understand the arena they've walked in to and that there are countless thousands of pages of analysis and discussion that have built up here over the years if they want to learn anything. No Hanlon's Razor bullshit, no ritualized civility, but also not the performative cruetly of 4chan. A bad question asked in good faith can be answered in good faith. An ignorant person who is willing to consider new ideas, to learn, can be helped.
But trolls and fanatics? Flay them.
I think we do echo chamber with dope ass bear characteristics at times, but also the Overton Window here is far to the left of what is considered sane and acceptable in Western Politics, and as a result many ideas that would be acceptable in "I'm as left as they come but" spaces are met with razors and lemon juice here.
And there's also a strong defensive reflex built up from being basically political pariahs in wider society. When everyone in your real life thinks you're morally equivalent to a Nazi because they think you support a bunch of genocides and repressions that mostly didn't happen having someone come in to the only anti-tankie mine free space in the Western internet saying lib shit tends to trigger everyone's fight response.
ohoho au contraire my dear pal, for you see, you have stumbled upon my rhetorical trap! heheehhe, you see by disagreeing with me on this point, you have proven my point that this is not an echo chamber spontaneusly grows a fancy and somehow already waxed moustache which I then begin to twirl you have been duped by.. The Rhetoritician! Eeeeheheheheeheehe
No but you're right. I just wanted to push against the idea we're somehow more of an echo chamber than anywhere else. It's not like lemmy.world isn't just a big box of libs patting each other on the back. This place was really bad before federation, so much self-congratulatory posting about not being reddit and pointless struggle sessions.
You made me (fondly) remember the lib who cried about me telling them they'd get the shit kicked out of them if they were in my org for trivializing genocide and doing all the classic lib condescention.
The Rhetoritician would with zero irony make a great character for a post-dirtbag left pod and/or stage production. Especially if every once in a while Plato (was Plato the guy who hated rhetoric?) Would swing in on a rope and start a wrestling match.
The main thing I know about Plato is that he would write his master to say "Oh I'm so humble, I don't know anything!" while clearly not actually believing it and then put in other characters that would say shit like "Wow Socrates you are super humble and also smart and correct!"
This is a massive compliment. Genuinely thank you, this made me happy.
Then salt the exposed flesh when you're done