You might have a point. I guess most of us here are better at understanding what goes on inside the heads of chuds, compared to the average person.
At the same time, I think a lot of the stuff people say about us are symbolic beliefs that have more to do with the person saying them. For example, I don't think libs "really" think we're bots or foreign agents, but denouncing us as such lets them reaffirm their loyalty to the state. And this "secretly right-wing" stuff has the same feel. They believe it the same way people "believed" that Trump was going to make Mexico pay for the wall, they just like the way it feels when it comes out of their mouth.
Exactly right, at least as far as I can tell. Their complaints about us are ultimately immaterial. They're just "bad things." we are a collection of "bad things" to them, so they don't have to listen to us. We make them uncomfortable, because Liberalism doesn't actually explain anything about the world, but we clearly do have some kind of understanding of things that they lack. That's threatening to their worldview.
But if they can put us in the "secretly right wing" box, then all our arguments are just "trickery" trying to trick them, the most important people. So they can feel justified in dismissing us without thought because we're part of the bad guy team. Cognitive dissonance resolved.
The thing that gets me is how none of these explanations make any sense in the context that we were on our own for three years. No one's doing an act for three years, especially with nobody to troll. No government is paying foreign agents to talk to each other. And like you said it's very self-centered, almost to the point of solipsism, like my opinion is so important that people are concocting these elaborate ruses to try and fool me, as opposed to the idea that... people just think differently than you? Just an utter unwillingness to consider that anyone might exist who doesn't fit neatly into one of the two mainstream American cultural boxes. Social chauvinists tbqh.
It's really self-serving isn't it? The liberals on lemmy are just so damn important that you'd fake 3 full years of posts where you "pretend" to be leftists just to try and fool them when you finally ended up federating.
It's pure conspiracy theory logic really. The idea that "any evidence against my position is actually just a ruse, regardless of how impossible it would be to actually set that up." Not to mention how much of a waste it would be, what would it even accomplish? If we convinced some shitlib that the whole system is bullshit, then what happens? They just don't vote for Biden next election. Business as usual. It changes nothing about the US, except that maybe the representative of the bourgeoisie is an orange clown of an old man instead of just standard white old man.
Yeah and you see a lot of stuff that's like, in one of the first news threads we were in someone was like, "Just bring up Tiananmen Square, that'll make 'em go away," (and get absolutely dogpiled) and today I saw someone post that copypasta with the Chinese characters that's supposed to dispel Chinese bots or agents, and it's like, those things never work. They have to know they never work. It really is just an article of faith, it's clutching your beads and repeating a mantra until the demons leave you alone.
Yeah, I'll probably just leave them alone. They aren't worth talking to.
Though it is the internet debate equivalent of shitting your pants to get everyone else to leave the room. They just don't understand how they aren't actually "winning" so much as they are "not worth wasting time interacting with."
Yeah I think a bit of the "secretly right-wing" is about morality. It also is about authority and not really thought out concepts of violence and force. There also is the "intention" and "effect" thing going on with sane-ism. Parenti and Lenin said lots of it well, too.
You might have a point. I guess most of us here are better at understanding what goes on inside the heads of chuds, compared to the average person.
At the same time, I think a lot of the stuff people say about us are symbolic beliefs that have more to do with the person saying them. For example, I don't think libs "really" think we're bots or foreign agents, but denouncing us as such lets them reaffirm their loyalty to the state. And this "secretly right-wing" stuff has the same feel. They believe it the same way people "believed" that Trump was going to make Mexico pay for the wall, they just like the way it feels when it comes out of their mouth.
Exactly right, at least as far as I can tell. Their complaints about us are ultimately immaterial. They're just "bad things." we are a collection of "bad things" to them, so they don't have to listen to us. We make them uncomfortable, because Liberalism doesn't actually explain anything about the world, but we clearly do have some kind of understanding of things that they lack. That's threatening to their worldview.
But if they can put us in the "secretly right wing" box, then all our arguments are just "trickery" trying to trick them, the most important people. So they can feel justified in dismissing us without thought because we're part of the bad guy team. Cognitive dissonance resolved.
The thing that gets me is how none of these explanations make any sense in the context that we were on our own for three years. No one's doing an act for three years, especially with nobody to troll. No government is paying foreign agents to talk to each other. And like you said it's very self-centered, almost to the point of solipsism, like my opinion is so important that people are concocting these elaborate ruses to try and fool me, as opposed to the idea that... people just think differently than you? Just an utter unwillingness to consider that anyone might exist who doesn't fit neatly into one of the two mainstream American cultural boxes. Social chauvinists tbqh.
It's really self-serving isn't it? The liberals on lemmy are just so damn important that you'd fake 3 full years of posts where you "pretend" to be leftists just to try and fool them when you finally ended up federating.
It's pure conspiracy theory logic really. The idea that "any evidence against my position is actually just a ruse, regardless of how impossible it would be to actually set that up." Not to mention how much of a waste it would be, what would it even accomplish? If we convinced some shitlib that the whole system is bullshit, then what happens? They just don't vote for Biden next election. Business as usual. It changes nothing about the US, except that maybe the representative of the bourgeoisie is an orange clown of an old man instead of just standard white old man.
Yeah and you see a lot of stuff that's like, in one of the first news threads we were in someone was like, "Just bring up Tiananmen Square, that'll make 'em go away," (and get absolutely dogpiled) and today I saw someone post that copypasta with the Chinese characters that's supposed to dispel Chinese bots or agents, and it's like, those things never work. They have to know they never work. It really is just an article of faith, it's clutching your beads and repeating a mantra until the demons leave you alone.
I guess they technically work in a sense. Like yeah, if someone goes:
"Tinyman square yogurt genocide checkmate tankies."
Yeah, I'll probably just leave them alone. They aren't worth talking to.
Though it is the internet debate equivalent of shitting your pants to get everyone else to leave the room. They just don't understand how they aren't actually "winning" so much as they are "not worth wasting time interacting with."
Yeah I think a bit of the "secretly right-wing" is about morality. It also is about authority and not really thought out concepts of violence and force. There also is the "intention" and "effect" thing going on with sane-ism. Parenti and Lenin said lots of it well, too.