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Democrats cannot fail. They can only be failed. It's 2024 and they're defending Hillary's honor against imaginary PhD Anarcocellerationists.

Trump Derrangement Syndrome is incredible.

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    tbf COVID killed a lot of people under Trump. Not saying it would've necessarily been better under anyone else, because it showed the US is totally ill equipped to handle a nationwide crisis covid-cool

    • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 months ago

      I mean COVID also killed a lot of people under Biden, especially since he just declared the pandemic over and stopped tracking the numbers

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 months ago

        Yeh. It'd be very, very difficult to estimate how much damage Biden's covid non-policy has caused because they've fucked with the numbers so much.

    • hotspur@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      This is a fair point—I sorta forgot about that, and it was definitely something like a million people + which is a very large number.

      In terms of comparison, I guess you could say that the Covid numbers were partially unintentional, or indirect. I mean I know trumps a dumbass who recommended bleach, but there were still professionals at agencies, a vaccine got made, there were measures like work from home, isolation. So they could have done better, but their policy doesn’t look that horrible compared to the Biden one of “ok back to work and don’t pay attention to the 1k+ per week still dying”. The conflict deaths of the recent term have very much been a follow on effect of US foreign policy.

      I don’t say any of this to try and prop Trump up, or let him off any hooks, but I can’t stand the two-faced rhetoric in stupid tweets like this, and a lot of the fear mongering they do is predicated on the idea that x will be worse if you don’t vote us in. Regardless of whether it’s their fault, a lot of very bad things have happened during their tenure, so I always wonder “in which ways will it be worse, and for whom?”

      • MaeBorowski [she/her]
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        2 months ago

        Yes. This is the thing here. Trump's handling of covid was inexcusable and he absolutely has many people's blood (speckled with bits of their lungs and other organs) on his hands, but it was a relatively unexpected and unknown thing, albeit resulting in an utterly botched response. Still, some response was at least attempted during the Trump years, even if he doesn't deserve credit for the positive aspects of that attempt. The Biden admin however, they knew full well what it was, how it killed, and how it could be prevented, and even made it into office in part because of their promise that they would better handle it. Instead they pretended it didn't exist anymore, actively dismantling the attempt at a response, and now we don't know how many people died because of that, which was largely the point of their sweeping everything under the rug (that and making sure the proles get back to work, know their place, and make line go up).

        It's not that Trump doesn't have gallons of lung-blood on his hands, he surely does, it's that there's no reason to think that Biden doesn't have even more, and a strong argument to be made that Biden is even more responsible for the blood that drips from his own ghoulish claws.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
          hexagon
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          2 months ago

          God Biden really is possibly the single most destructive, in terms of sheer death and human misery, of all US politicians currently living. Like he had an important role in getting Dems on board with Iraq, for instance.

      • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        I agree that the COVID numbers were partially unintentional. Sure, all the ”wearing a mask infringes on muh freedum” rhetoric and dipshits like DeSantis not shutting things down to own the libs didn't help, but all of that would've probably happened anyway.

        ”COVID is over” also gets a pass from liberals just because Biden did it. If Trump had said that and had stopped tracking the numbers, we'd never hear the end of it.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 months ago

        It has to be measured against the Chinese response. China's response was extremely effective and they managed to quarantine the country and largely eliminate Covid for three years. Outbreaks were very localized and effective quarantine measures prevented those outbreaks from spreading far before they were stopped.

        So the gold measure for wealthy nations is 0 covid. Trump's response was better than Bidens, Biden's response was blood for the blood god, and both of them completely failed when measured against China.

        Now that I think of it it's actually horrifying that the Biden admin managed to cover up and manufacture consent so completely that it's not an election issue. Well, I mean, people think it magically disapeared, so the only "issue" with covid now is plague demons harassing people for wearing masks.

        • hotspur@lemmy.ml
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          2 months ago

          I read something the other day that mentioned an early Fauci quote about how the pandemic would be in recession when we had less than 1k a week dying, and the author of the article pointed out that we had never gotten close to that number. So yeah they just made a command decision to manufacture the end, probably because they couldn't stand the unintentional worker benefits that were a silver lining of the COVID pandemic (flexibility, some protections, some better pay in some cases) and because corporate landlords were screaming bloody murder. Can't let our big pocketed speculators down you know!

          I work at a place that has a lot of staff, and the age demographics are skewed towards older--I know of at least two coworkers that I actually knew, as in had met and had conversations with, that died of COVID, so when they just arbitrarily announced RTO, I couldn't help but view it as a cold decision to "age out" some more staff in exchange for a return to managerial viability. Our productivity had been the same or better during the WFH years as well, so they didn't really have a good excuse beyond, hey this is what everybody has to do now, just be adults about it and accept your added long term health risks and be grateful.