Is the opensource movement in NZ still alive? Where have all the FOSS groups disappeared off to?

Back in the day, there used to be so many meetups for all the Linux User Groups, like AuckLUG, WellyLUG etc. We did show-and-tells, met cool folks, spoke about our favorite distros and projects. It was fun. It wasn't just limited to LUGs, we even had events like Software Freedom Day where we handed out Linux CDs, helped people with installation issues, discussed FOSS etc. It felt we were like a part of a community, doing meaningful things outside of our jobs, and helping each other out.

But then, all of it suddenly died. COVID could be one of the contributing factors as to why the meetups stopped, but the meetups disappeared well before COVID came into the picture (at least here in Welly). Even online resources, like the mailing lists (even the super helpful Waikato LUG) all got discontinued.

The last update on the NZOSS website was over an year ago, no posts on their Mastodon account either. I even participated in a new AU/NZ FOSS group called FLOUNDER - a name that I came up with and was proud of - but it too, went quiet. The plan was to have meetups every month, but then it went quiet for an year. Apparently they had a meeting last July, but I missed it because it went quiet (and there's no signs of another meeting).

I get that Linux is a lot more easier to use now than it was a decade ago, with many other online help resources, and that you're no longer considered a "hacker" if you use it, but still.. I miss the community, the sense of belonging and purpose that we had.

But it's not just the community, even the Linux job market seems to have dried up - there's barely any Linux vacancies out there. A decade ago, I became a Windows sysadmin due to lack of Linux jobs, but even a decade later, it's still hard to land a Linux job, when you don't have that senior-level enterprise Linux experience they're seeking, and unfortunately, all my previous roles were in Microsoft shops, with some token Linux appliance-type servers. With literally zero entry-level Linux jobs out there, how is one supposed to gain any mid-senior level enterprise Linux experience? Running a homelab isn't quite the same, and from what I've seen, no one really cares about certs. This is also why I miss IRL meetups, the chance to build those valuable connections is now gone.

It feels like New Zealand, as a whole, has sold it's soul to Microsoft, and it's very depressing.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nz
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    1 year ago

    NZ companies love paying out the ass for microsoft products. I have no idea what advantages they see in it but management loves it.

    I'd love to go to a LUG, I use linux but I haven't been able to contribute anything. I really want to learn the processes of submitting bug reports so that I can help improve the user experience.

    • Dave@lemmy.nzM
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      1 year ago

      NZ companies love paying out the ass for microsoft products. I have no idea what advantages they see in it but management loves it.

      Low code/no code is pretty big these days, standing up a new system in months instead of years. MS has a pretty big low code platform, and it effortlessly integrates with other MS products (e.g. MS exchange, AAD, which big corps are most likely using). MS is also a recognisable brand to non-technical decision makers, and they can be confident in being able to support the system for years/decades to come even if an individual vendor goes bust.

      I can understand why it's popular, even if I don't like it.

      • TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz
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        1 year ago

        That's definitely part of it, the whole use somebody else's cloud has taken over most of the big organisation's IT procurement as well - even when they have inelastic demand they're still migrating everything and letting themselves get locked in.

        Depending on the products they're using in the cloud; in a way they're using more open source stuff than ever - its just all hidden away and locked behind Azure/AWS charges or other company subscriptions so they just don't really know.

        • Dave@lemmy.nzM
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          1 year ago

          Realistically unless they are building in house then they are getting locked in. I've seen legacy systems charging tens of thousands per user per year for licensing and support, and you've got no choice but pay it while you build out a new system.

          And I'm like 90% sure the pricing is deliberately excessive because the vendor doesn't want to have to keep supporting a system they built in the 90s.

          • TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz
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            1 year ago

            They'll get locked in on all sorts of things they could host locally as well if they wanted. The number of folks that go Elastic Cloud, or Grafana Cloud or any other of the myriad projects that you can run anywhere. But of course it becomes a tradeoff between annual licensing and monthly subscription I suppose.

            100% on charging to force customers to migrate too; I have a bit of sympathy for that approach if nothing else is getting them to move on - especially in a world where a lot of older code has unpatched vulnerabilities sometimes its in your own best interest as a vendor lest you end up carrying the can for the customer's reluctance to move.

  • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
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    1 year ago

    I'd love for there the be something in Taupo....

    One reason is also got to be that the Linux crowd got older, has families etc... Life happens, I have 3 boys, shit is busy. Kids are using iOS, Android and Chromebooks...

    The web is just about the OS now, so a good web browser is probably more important than the OS it is running on.

    I have been using Linux since 2008 and full time since 2010, I will never go back to Windows, but I probably use Android more than desktop Linux....

  • warrenson@lemmy.nz
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    1 year ago

    There is a revival of the AuckLUG happening at the end of the month. https://www.meetup.com/aucklug/events/295314953/

    • d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      Ooh, this looks promising. Sadly nothing in Welly by the looks of it, but it's a start I guess.

  • SamC@lemmy.nz
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    1 year ago

    I think COVID is a big factor. This one in Wellington was shut down due to COVID (which is still a thing): https://wossat.nz/

    Also often these events are hosted by companies. Times are tough so budgets get cut back.