After a year of genocide, I feel like there's no point in trying to convince these people. They are actively supporting the perpetrators of the genocide, and it's beyond Oct. 7 now -- there's no excuse for not knowing. There's a constant flow of evidence, yet these people remain purposefully ignorant. Or maybe they take pleasure in those pictures of dead babies. Take pleasure in the death of those 'barbarians' -- These people should be shamed. They shouldn't be allowed to take these evil positions without any backlash.

  • Philote@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    I’m legit curious what this option you think American liberals have. Right now it’s Harris vs Trump neither of those options offer any help to those suffering. I’m wondering what I’m not being convinced of.

    • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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      3 days ago

      Communism is the alternative. Electoralism is a false method for gaining material improvements because of who controls economic power and therefore State power, namely the bourgeoisie.

      Revolution is necessary, which requires abandoning the idea that Dems can be shifted left and the idea that if Reps lose they will crumble and a leftward party will take its place, both of which are false notions due to making no analysis of the material conditions that give rise to their current positions.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      I’m legit curious what this option you think American liberals have. Right now it’s Harris vs Trump neither of those options offer any help to those suffering. I’m wondering what I’m not being convinced of.

      What's your take? "Nothing can ever get any better, just enjoy the red team vs blue team spectacle, lol?"

    • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      There are 4-6 options in your presidential ballot, the fact that you can only think the 2 pro-genocide candidates as the only valuable candidates says a lot about you

    • Ericthescruffy [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      Right now it’s Harris vs Trump neither of those options offer any help to those suffering. I’m wondering what I’m not being convinced of.

      If this is the limits of what the system can offer or even tolerate: then the system should be destroyed.

    • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      vote if you want, but since voting will not improve the situation you have a responsibility to do other stuff. I think people are getting too worked up about the election, communists and liberals alike. If the Greens got 5% for federal funding it'd be nice, but I think communists should view electoral power as something that comes from a strong workers' movement, not something where we do well in an election and then that magically conjures class struggle. We have to organize, there is no shortcut

    • cosecantphi [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      Biden's administration was not materially better for the domestic working class or marginalized people in anyway. What fucking Trump policies did they even bother to repeal? Kids are still in cages, Biden deported more people than Trump did. We lost legal abortions under Biden with no attempt to pack the court. Why the fuck do you expect Harris will be better?

      You are throwing Palestinian lives under the bus when you say the potential of a small advancement toward your political goals at home takes precedent over their ongoing genocide. Your government is doing this to them. Votes, despite what liberals say, are endorsements of policy. When Democrats see they have your vote unconditionally, what incentive do they have to ever give a good goddamn about your needs when they could be courting the failsons of boat dealership owners instead?

      The solution to two fascist, genocidal parties is not to support the slightly less bad one. It's to take up arms against both of them.