All these answers are so killjoy and boring. Like yeah we should strive to make our own planet better, but why not also do this? Building habitats on other worlds doesn't prevent us from caring for this one.
Plus maybe trying to make a liveable environment in space can give us new insights in preserving the one at home. Like how solar panels have come from space exploration.
Why would people want to focus more on things we can actually do right now and would improve our lives instead of completely unfeasible pipe dreams? I don't understand.
Isn't there space for both? Why not try multiple avenues?
Why have this negative view on everything? Wouldn't you say the airplane and the car have tremendously improved humanity, even with all its downsides? Or the cellphone?
I bet at the time of their inventions you would be opposing it because "billionaires are bad and this industry is going to explore the working class". Guess what? Yes billionaires are bad and explore people and you (all of us) should be fighting against that, not against scientific and engineering inovation.
No. Flatly. You do not get to eject any more human garbage into the cosmos from which we came-- you already have WHOLE FUCKING ARRAYS of busted up satellites and pieces of rockets and a bunch of other more shit floating in high orbit that you have no plans to go retrieve, mind you; fuck would you propose making even more for? Other than the narcissistic techbro flex, I mean?
It physically enrages me every time I look into the night sky ad have to question how much of what I'm seeing up there is just dead space junk. I grew up considering the cosmos more beautiful, and honestly, more sacred than even the ocean that perpetuates our planet. So no, it actually does anger me that people just brazenly throw around ideas of doing what they've already done to Earth to other planets, and honestly fuck you for trying to minimize that rage.
Are you a psychiatrist? Do you have ANY kind of accreditation or doctorate to make such a call? I don't know how you got a lemmygrad account; but I can only take it to mean the moderation there really is slipping.
Starlink pisses me off to no end. The beautiful night sky is ruined by disposable trash that fucks up the ozone on re-entry just so some dork can go about having slightly faster internet. The niche use cases where mostly already covered, now it's just been made accessible to consumers who don't ever need it.
Every industry exploits the working class under capitalism.
Are we colonizing planets or building habitats in space right now or any time in the perceivable future, though? No, so beyond a fun thought experiment or sci-fi material, it's not an idea worth giving any serious thought towards.
The problem isn't technological though. We could start fixing our climate mistakes today without inventing a single new thing. All of the obstacles to actually addressing the climate crisis are sociopolitical.
You seem to be letting your hatred for Musk confuse you about space exploration. NASA and other governmental agencies do very important work when it comes to space exploration
My grandpa helped design and test the tech for ballistic missiles while working as a private contractor for a now defunct aerospace corporation under contract with NASA.
If he was still alive I would say he gets the wall too.
Techbros are burning the world down in swathes to fuel their theftboxes at best, and artificial lovers at worst, Neuralink just fucked some guy's brains up, Cybertrucks keep failing left and goddamn right, but sure, let's just chalk all this up to "Musk Derangement Syndrome" jesus fucking christ I hate you techbro settlers. Please die young of something preventable.
Culture war is when a person points out the chauvinism inherent in cracker fantasies about colonizing the stars because there is nowhere left to colonize here without just admitting to themselves they just want to subjugate everyone and everything on earth and above.
@frauddogg@hexbear.net is 100% correct in every single comment they have made in this thread.
I can't really even add anything to this other than say they right fuck off.
"As below, so above" might as well be the settler-colonizer's ethos. "As I subjugate everything below me, I must reach for what's above." At what point is Polly satisfied?
Never, apparently. Humanity will go extinct thanks to this malign tumor on our collective neck.
Also funny how libs mistake actual structural material analysis as "culture war tropes" because their framework for viewing the world is constrained by their MSNBC vs Fox News idea of good and bad and anything that challenges it must be from the wrong side of said culture war. Which funnily enough is also culture war bullshit.
"Surely I can't be racist I'm one of the good white people!"
because their framework for viewing the world is constrained by their MSNBC vs Fox News idea of good and bad
Kinda outs their whole "war is a football game to you" allegation as pure projection, doesn't it? There is fundamentally zero difference between the 'cUlTuRe WaR', the electoral race, and the "professional" handegg games that will go on in two days for these settler liberals.
Yeah they will smugly condescend to us with their "not a team sport" shit all the while demanding we vote for their particular team because harm reduction or whatever. Meanwhile every president and 99% of congress people of either party in my 40 years has done the same genocidal shit.
The allegation was that you're pulling everything back to culture wars, and you instantly started talking about "MSNBC vs Fox" and the USA's two-party system. In a thread about China's space program.
I am not even the person that you initially responded to. You're just a lib that is in way over your head in a topic you refuse to engage in critically because it makes you uncomfortable.
Buddy you responded with the most braindead lemmitor comment you could think of and then get surprised when that's the level you're engaged at. You people are dense as bricks, I'd get more introspection from the ocean in a storm.
Cries for civility in the face of the uncivil, demanding that subjects-of-empire kowtow and coddle the feelings of their colonizers, is the last gasp of the settler-fascist.
Techbros are burning the world down in swathes to fuel their theftboxes at best, and artificial lovers at worst, Neuralink just fucked some guy’s brains up, Cybertrucks keep failing left and goddamn right, but sure, let’s just chalk all this up to “Musk Derangement Syndrome” jesus fucking christ I hate you techbro settlers. Please die young of something preventable.
lol this sounds like you have smoke coming out your ears writing it
hehehe wow you sure seem mad about the fact that billionares are destroying the planet and people like me are clapping like trained seals. Wow such a heated reaction, that means that I have won this interaction because I do not care about things. One point for me please
He isn't even the guy behind any discovery his manifold bought-up companies make. He's just the nepobaby failspawn of blood emerald mining company money in South Africa; and as far as I'm concerned, that makes anything that comes out of his companies while he helms them fruit of the poison tree.
We do not support, uplift, or patronize colonizers, slavers, resource-extracting thieves, or any combination of the three in this house.
Polly's Tenet: "I can excuse anything from anyone if it means my treats arrive on time". My parrot is literally more disciplined than these settler shitstains.
His companies suck shit too. They fuck up the ozone, suck funding from the government, produce barely anything of value and fuck up nature reserves all the time. Just a tremendous waste of resources. Had the money that has been funneled into his many shitty scams gone towards anything actually useful (even if we're talking space exploration, which I do not think is worth the investment in this society) then we would have been so much further ahead already
science/engineering in general.
yeah I don't think anybody is against the general concept of "science/engineering" here buddy
I think they're just not used to anyone not soyfacing over basic sci-fi or experiencing materialist critique. They're used to Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about how you've got stars inside you. So when it's pointed out how NASA was staffed by nazis and its' main purpose is to be a MIC front, then they start talking about morals and culture war stuff. They're smart people who believefollow are interested in science (tm) so obviously whatever they think is rational (tm) and logical (tm) and critiques are therefore stemming from a place of emotions (bad).
What I was trying to say is that most of them probably don't really think about this stuff, and then I got annoyed and expanded a bit.
Oh yeah "u r emotional lol" is always asinine. Like the dweeb in here who responded with "wow you're pretty mad" to someone freaking out about the climate being destroyed to satisfy Elon Musks lust for impregnating women on other planets. Yeah, being angry is a rational response. Our society fetishises the idea of rationality, but since it isn't a rational society rationality gets reduced to nihilistic detached impassiveness. On top of that there's a hierarchy of what emotional reactions are acceptable and anger is at the very bottom of that list.
It's the polite Hitler meme.
On the days where I am especially conspiracy brained I think those who hold cultural hegemony understand how useful it is for them that we all masturbate to the idea of "turning the other cheek" and "taking the high road", and they purposefully smash it in everywhere they can. And I'm very much not just talking about Marvel slop here.
The problem isn't technological though. We could start fixing our climate mistakes today without inventing a single new thing. All of the obstacles to actually addressing the climate crisis are sociopolitical.
There's nothing wrong with thinking technology is cool, but using it as a spiritual bypass is pretty silly.
All these answers are so killjoy and boring. Like yeah we should strive to make our own planet better, but why not also do this? Building habitats on other worlds doesn't prevent us from caring for this one.
Plus maybe trying to make a liveable environment in space can give us new insights in preserving the one at home. Like how solar panels have come from space exploration.
Why would people want to focus more on things we can actually do right now and would improve our lives instead of completely unfeasible pipe dreams? I don't understand.
Isn't there space for both? Why not try multiple avenues? Why have this negative view on everything? Wouldn't you say the airplane and the car have tremendously improved humanity, even with all its downsides? Or the cellphone?
I bet at the time of their inventions you would be opposing it because "billionaires are bad and this industry is going to explore the working class". Guess what? Yes billionaires are bad and explore people and you (all of us) should be fighting against that, not against scientific and engineering inovation.
No. Flatly. You do not get to eject any more human garbage into the cosmos from which we came-- you already have WHOLE FUCKING ARRAYS of busted up satellites and pieces of rockets and a bunch of other more shit floating in high orbit that you have no plans to go retrieve, mind you; fuck would you propose making even more for? Other than the narcissistic techbro flex, I mean?
There is no way you are this upset about piece of metal existing on Mars, littering the rocks. You're upset about something else and transferring it.
It physically enrages me every time I look into the night sky ad have to question how much of what I'm seeing up there is just dead space junk. I grew up considering the cosmos more beautiful, and honestly, more sacred than even the ocean that perpetuates our planet. So no, it actually does anger me that people just brazenly throw around ideas of doing what they've already done to Earth to other planets, and honestly fuck you for trying to minimize that rage.
Are you a psychiatrist? Do you have ANY kind of accreditation or doctorate to make such a call? I don't know how you got a lemmygrad account; but I can only take it to mean the moderation there really is slipping.
I'm starting to suspect it doesn't take much to physically enrage you 😄
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Starlink pisses me off to no end. The beautiful night sky is ruined by disposable trash that fucks up the ozone on re-entry just so some dork can go
about having slightly faster internet. The niche use cases where mostly already covered, now it's just been made accessible to consumers who don't ever need it.
Every industry exploits the working class under capitalism.
Are we colonizing planets or building habitats in space right now or any time in the perceivable future, though? No, so beyond a fun thought experiment or sci-fi material, it's not an idea worth giving any serious thought towards.
Right because innovation materializes itself when we want ... We just flicked our fingers and airplane, cellphone and others just appeared.
Who are you to tell what we should or should not pursue?
Are we pursuing colonizing planets or building space habitats in any serious way?
The problem isn't technological though. We could start fixing our climate mistakes today without inventing a single new thing. All of the obstacles to actually addressing the climate crisis are sociopolitical.
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Space exploration isn't unique to capitalist systems.
Drej Queen, Earth yearns for the Cleansing Light of extermination
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You seem to be letting your hatred for Musk confuse you about space exploration. NASA and other governmental agencies do very important work when it comes to space exploration
We all know what NASA research is really for.
My grandpa helped design and test the tech for ballistic missiles while working as a private contractor for a now defunct aerospace corporation under contract with NASA.
If he was still alive I would say he gets the wall too.
He has Musk Derangement Syndrome 🤣🤣🤣
Too much time reading clickbait
Techbros are burning the world down in swathes to fuel their theftboxes at best, and artificial lovers at worst, Neuralink just fucked some guy's brains up, Cybertrucks keep failing left and goddamn right, but sure, let's just chalk all this up to "Musk Derangement Syndrome" jesus fucking christ I hate you techbro settlers. Please die young of something preventable.
Can you string together 2 sentences without culture war tropes?
Culture war is when a person points out the chauvinism inherent in cracker fantasies about colonizing the stars because there is nowhere left to colonize here without just admitting to themselves they just want to subjugate everyone and everything on earth and above.
@frauddogg@hexbear.net is 100% correct in every single comment they have made in this thread.
I can't really even add anything to this other than say they right fuck off.
"As below, so above" might as well be the settler-colonizer's ethos. "As I subjugate everything below me, I must reach for what's above." At what point is Polly satisfied?
Never, apparently. Humanity will go extinct thanks to this malign tumor on our collective neck.
Also funny how libs mistake actual structural material analysis as "culture war tropes" because their framework for viewing the world is constrained by their MSNBC vs Fox News idea of good and bad and anything that challenges it must be from the wrong side of said culture war. Which funnily enough is also culture war bullshit.
"Surely I can't be racist I'm one of the good white people!"
Kinda outs their whole "war is a football game to you" allegation as pure projection, doesn't it? There is fundamentally zero difference between the 'cUlTuRe WaR', the electoral race, and the "professional" handegg games that will go on in two days for these settler liberals.
Yeah they will smugly condescend to us with their "not a team sport" shit all the while demanding we vote for their particular team because harm reduction or whatever. Meanwhile every president and 99% of congress people of either party in my 40 years has done the same genocidal shit.
Are you doing a bit?
The allegation was that you're pulling everything back to culture wars, and you instantly started talking about "MSNBC vs Fox" and the USA's two-party system. In a thread about China's space program.
Not beating the allegations.
Where the hell was China even brought up? This thread afaik is about settler brainworms regarding space colonization.
Like colonize is literally in the title of this post.
Allegations of what exactly. What are you alleging about me?
Being unable to formulate a thought, because you're addicted to drawing culture war lines.
I am not even the person that you initially responded to. You're just a lib that is in way over your head in a topic you refuse to engage in critically because it makes you uncomfortable.
Acquire reading comprehension and work on why you instantly resort to smug defensiveness whenever you encounter something you disagree with
Buddy you responded with the most braindead lemmitor comment you could think of and then get surprised when that's the level you're engaged at. You people are dense as bricks, I'd get more introspection from the ocean in a storm.
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Ironically enough in their fantasy about reaching mars with privatized space planes that is an extremely likely scenario lol
I keep thinking about what's been happening to Boeings lately and smiling. "C'mon, bazinga, go see the stars." [stick-poke meme]
That submarine stunt was one of the funniest things that has ever happened.
Honestly if we wanted to do something neat that is almost exactly like settling an alien landscape we should invest in more deep sea research.
We don't even know shit about Giant Squid which are like the coolest most alien thing on earth.
Lmao at removing this but not all the smug shit coming the other way. mods=cops
Cries for civility in the face of the uncivil, demanding that subjects-of-empire kowtow and coddle the feelings of their colonizers, is the last gasp of the settler-fascist.
lol this sounds like you have smoke coming out your ears writing it
Meh I dislike Musk as well but I don't let that cloud my judgement of his companies or science/engineering in general.
He isn't even the guy behind any discovery his manifold bought-up companies make. He's just the nepobaby failspawn of blood emerald mining company money in South Africa; and as far as I'm concerned, that makes anything that comes out of his companies while he helms them fruit of the poison tree.
We do not support, uplift, or patronize colonizers, slavers, resource-extracting thieves, or any combination of the three in this house.
Then stop obsessing on him maybe? The thread was supposed to be about space stations and stuff.
Colonizer fantasies and zero knowledge about how anything works
That says a lot about you, then. The guy's a fascist but you don't care because
muh bazingamobiles and space crap!
Polly's Tenet: "I can excuse anything from anyone if it means my treats arrive on time". My parrot is literally more disciplined than these settler shitstains.
His companies suck shit too. They fuck up the ozone, suck funding from the government, produce barely anything of value and fuck up nature reserves all the time. Just a tremendous waste of resources. Had the money that has been funneled into his many shitty scams gone towards anything actually useful (even if we're talking space exploration, which I do not think is worth the investment in this society) then we would have been so much further ahead already
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I think they're just not used to anyone not soyfacing over basic sci-fi or experiencing materialist critique. They're used to Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about how you've got stars inside you. So when it's pointed out how NASA was staffed by nazis and its' main purpose is to be a MIC front, then they start talking about morals and culture war stuff. They're smart people who
believefolloware interested in science (tm) so obviously whatever they think is rational (tm) and logical (tm) and critiques are therefore stemming from a place of emotions (bad).What I was trying to say is that most of them probably don't really think about this stuff, and then I got annoyed and expanded a bit.
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Oh yeah "u r emotional lol"
is always asinine. Like the dweeb in here who responded with "wow you're pretty mad" to someone freaking out about the climate being destroyed to satisfy Elon Musks lust for impregnating women on other planets. Yeah, being angry is a rational response. Our society fetishises the idea of rationality, but since it isn't a rational society rationality gets reduced to nihilistic detached impassiveness. On top of that there's a hierarchy of what emotional reactions are acceptable and anger is at the very bottom of that list.
It's the polite Hitler meme.
On the days where I am especially conspiracy brained I think those who hold cultural hegemony understand how useful it is for them that we all masturbate to the idea of "turning the other cheek" and "taking the high road", and they purposefully smash it in everywhere they can. And I'm very much not just talking about Marvel slop here.
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Fuck you, the planet is literally on fire and you bazinga-assed techbros want to talk about escape plans. FIX WHAT YOU FUCKED UP FIRST.
Nah.
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yah
took literally 11 seconds to search, find, cut and post
Wonder if you'll be so flippant the first time you experience a wet bulb event.
The problem isn't technological though. We could start fixing our climate mistakes today without inventing a single new thing. All of the obstacles to actually addressing the climate crisis are sociopolitical.
There's nothing wrong with thinking technology is cool, but using it as a spiritual bypass is pretty silly.