Ummm ackchually 99% Hitler isn’t directly genociding me yet so technically this is just authoritarian :smug:
Both bourgeois parties are actively performing genocide in West Asia with a particular emphasis on Palestine right now. They both trip over each other trying to outdo one another’s anti-immigrant rhetoric. Both run concentration camps on the Mexico border. Both stoke hatred for LGBTQ+ people for cheap bigoted culture war points. Both crush strikes and protest movements. Both are imperialist servants to capital, and will do anything to further the military industrial complex, pharmaceutical industry, and finance groups which back them.
Fascism is capitalism in decay, it is a corporatist economic structure with brutal repressive elements towards labor, activists, and minority groups. It’s imperial domination and exploitation. It’s establishing a supremacist in-group mindset and stoking all manner of bigotry to redirect people’s grievances away from class consciousness and into oppressing their fellow man. We have all of that now, despite slight differences in rhetoric between the Dems and Republicans. Both parties materially support and facilitate exactly that structure. The USA is a fascist country and has always been the primordial archetype for that system. Voting under a liberal democracy is nearly meaningless given that the system is rigged by capital from the start, but running water for these exploitative bourgeois genicodaires is disgusting. Your vote acts as endorsement and lends legitimacy to exactly these crimes which WILL continue regardless of which ghoul occupies the White House.
Agree on most of what you're saying. However both don't stoke hatred for LGBTQ+, and both don't have the same approach to social and economical matters.
The oversimplification of everything is the same is a path to fascism. That is being seen in Europe, in the US and elsewhere. Fucking Milei in Argentina as well.
Finally, you're not going to change a system that you are forced to participate in regardless of your opinion. Not voting in a 2-party system is accepting that the people who actually want a dictator, mass deportations, and a white evangelical society have one fewer vote to surpass.
No they just both enable hatred for LGBTQ people and do nothing to stop it. the idea that said people at the end of your comment have to "surpass" any votes is childish. They didn't have to surpass any votes to wipe out Palestine, they didnt have to surpass any votes to kill M4A. You bring fascism to everyone's doorstep and then act baffled when we choose not to buddy up with you once it tries to get inside.
Again, you have 2 real options to choose from. On one side you have a guy that wants to be a dictator, on the other the same type of shit as always. Anything, even not voting, is a decision to pick one of these 2 options.
If you really feel they are the same. You're enabling the dictator that has a lot of supporters.
You describe three options, but just keep proclaiming they are really two. Fucking Cardassian BS. You showing your belly to the democrats is enabling the dictator given the dems are TOUTING that they are fighting for Trump's border policy.
Elections are not isolated events in a vacuum, devoid of context, purely about which genocidal Imperialist wins.
that workers’ candidates are nominated everywhere in opposition to bourgeois-democratic candidates. As far as possible they should be League members and their election should be pursued by all possible means. Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled.
The best you can do is work towards creating an alternative for the future, which requires that you do not vote for them - And I need to be clear, not voting for them is less than the least you can do. The least you can do is go out and [redacted]
You have only one outcome: the USA will move rightward.
To the extent that voting matters in a fundamentally broken electoral system like ours, voting for the democrats is an affirmation of the choices they have made: affirmation of their choice to arm genocide in Gaza, affirmation of their choice to move right on immigration, affirmation of their choice to abandon death penalty abolition from their platform, etc.
Why would they ever change course as a party if they still get the only thing they want from you either way? Lesser evil voting is a race to the bottom, and the longer people wait to correct the democrats' course, the more painful it will be to endure a republican government in the meantime.
The democrats will never stop this country from its rightward trajectory if they keep moving rightward with it because their base continually validates them.
Yeah electorialism is a fuck, but if you're the type that believes in it, then you have to accept that it only works if you vote for someone who represents you, not for whomever least doesn't, but is also able to win the whole thing.
Representative democracy only works if you vote for a representative.
Why perputrate a failed system that offers 2 Choices , both Zionist ? Thats Undemocratic.
People Need to vote for who represents them , if they dont they fail in their Duty of Citizens and Perputrate a Undemocratic system ,that offers bad choices .
Somebody that doesnt do that but votes for a "Lesser evil" is activly participating in the Destruction of Democracy. He is a Enableer of this Destruction. A traiteor to his Countryman , and in this Particluar case , all of Humanity and its Developments in Humanitarianism.
You are an actual lemming. If you provide your enthusiastic support for the 'same as always' candidate, when do you think things will ever change for the better? Grab a gun! Join a union! Stop telling people to vote for genocide!
America has always been a dictatorship of the capitalist class over everyone else. You do not have two real options to choose from, you have two pre-selected symbolic representations of your subjugation by and for capital.
You could literally just stay home, eat cheetos and masturbate for the entirety of election day and accomplish more politically than endorsing wither genocidal candidate because you withdrew your support from any candidate until they fuck off with the genocide. They're both equally bad, this isn't a meaningful decision, so not bothering to make it is fine.
Yeah electorialism is a fuck, but if you're the type that believes in it, then you have to accept that it only works if you vote for someone who represents you, not for whomever least doesn't, but is also able to win the whole thing.
Representative democracy only works if you vote for a representative.
Edit: I see I posted it twice... Weird, but it works as aresponce to both
The oversimplification of everything is the same is a path to fascism
But you misunderstand us, everything is not the same. In the US, the borgeois double party encompasses a sprawling ecosystem of rich and varied fascism, with every species serving a purpose in facilitating the flow of capital. It's fascists of the blue variety, usually willfully ignorant, who insist on ironically reducing a century's worth of comprehensive analysis to "a simplification" just because it arrives at clear conclusions in a way that is verboten in liberal thought.
In reality, it's that trained liberal reflex of peeling off increasingly atom-thin layers of nuance to wrap over increasingly visible fascist policy that, historically, has only ever ended in naked fascism. Only liberals could torture into being the nebulous mirror image of a fascism to define themselves against that somehow also lets them off the hook for the genocide they've been doing for a year. My brother in capitalism, we are the fascists. You may personally think there's still daylight between liberalism and fascism, but most of the world knows better by now.
Finally, you're not going to change a system that you are forced to participate in regardless of your opinion
Finally, you're not going to change a system that you are forced to participate in regardless of your opinion
Incredible thing to admit. "Finally your opinion doesn't matter in this system" okay cool so it doesn't matter who I'm voting for, glad we are on the same page.
Just had a widdle thought but I think on this site we have conflated "has no meaningful effect" with "doesn't matter." Here thinking of the minor struggle session about voting having a moral value recently. It does matter if you're voting for a genocider, but it has no effect.
Ummm ackchually 99% Hitler isn’t directly genociding me yet so technically this is just authoritarian :smug:
Both bourgeois parties are actively performing genocide in West Asia with a particular emphasis on Palestine right now. They both trip over each other trying to outdo one another’s anti-immigrant rhetoric. Both run concentration camps on the Mexico border. Both stoke hatred for LGBTQ+ people for cheap bigoted culture war points. Both crush strikes and protest movements. Both are imperialist servants to capital, and will do anything to further the military industrial complex, pharmaceutical industry, and finance groups which back them.
Fascism is capitalism in decay, it is a corporatist economic structure with brutal repressive elements towards labor, activists, and minority groups. It’s imperial domination and exploitation. It’s establishing a supremacist in-group mindset and stoking all manner of bigotry to redirect people’s grievances away from class consciousness and into oppressing their fellow man. We have all of that now, despite slight differences in rhetoric between the Dems and Republicans. Both parties materially support and facilitate exactly that structure. The USA is a fascist country and has always been the primordial archetype for that system. Voting under a liberal democracy is nearly meaningless given that the system is rigged by capital from the start, but running water for these exploitative bourgeois genicodaires is disgusting. Your vote acts as endorsement and lends legitimacy to exactly these crimes which WILL continue regardless of which ghoul occupies the White House.
Agree on most of what you're saying. However both don't stoke hatred for LGBTQ+, and both don't have the same approach to social and economical matters.
The oversimplification of everything is the same is a path to fascism. That is being seen in Europe, in the US and elsewhere. Fucking Milei in Argentina as well.
Finally, you're not going to change a system that you are forced to participate in regardless of your opinion. Not voting in a 2-party system is accepting that the people who actually want a dictator, mass deportations, and a white evangelical society have one fewer vote to surpass.
No they just both enable hatred for LGBTQ people and do nothing to stop it. the idea that said people at the end of your comment have to "surpass" any votes is childish. They didn't have to surpass any votes to wipe out Palestine, they didnt have to surpass any votes to kill M4A. You bring fascism to everyone's doorstep and then act baffled when we choose not to buddy up with you once it tries to get inside.
Again, you have 2 real options to choose from. On one side you have a guy that wants to be a dictator, on the other the same type of shit as always. Anything, even not voting, is a decision to pick one of these 2 options.
If you really feel they are the same. You're enabling the dictator that has a lot of supporters.
You describe three options, but just keep proclaiming they are really two. Fucking Cardassian BS. You showing your belly to the democrats is enabling the dictator given the dems are TOUTING that they are fighting for Trump's border policy.
You have only 2 outcomes. You can go there and shit on the ballot, that's an option. But it doesn't change having 2 outcomes.
Elections are not isolated events in a vacuum, devoid of context, purely about which genocidal Imperialist wins.
From the Mario and Luigi of Communism,
There's actually an immense number of choices, but only 1 outcome, it's the same shit with either of the two possible winners. This is your candidate. I'm sure the woman who voted against federal funding for abortion on two separate times will turn out to be a great crusader for Roe v. Wade
The best you can do is work towards creating an alternative for the future, which requires that you do not vote for them - And I need to be clear, not voting for them is less than the least you can do. The least you can do is go out and [redacted]
At this point you're so fucking annoying that I kinda want whatever outcome hurts you
You're doing a great job campaigning for
but we just won't vote for him sorry
You have only one outcome: the USA will move rightward.
To the extent that voting matters in a fundamentally broken electoral system like ours, voting for the democrats is an affirmation of the choices they have made: affirmation of their choice to arm genocide in Gaza, affirmation of their choice to move right on immigration, affirmation of their choice to abandon death penalty abolition from their platform, etc.
Why would they ever change course as a party if they still get the only thing they want from you either way? Lesser evil voting is a race to the bottom, and the longer people wait to correct the democrats' course, the more painful it will be to endure a republican government in the meantime.
The democrats will never stop this country from its rightward trajectory if they keep moving rightward with it because their base continually validates them.
Yeah electorialism is a fuck, but if you're the type that believes in it, then you have to accept that it only works if you vote for someone who represents you, not for whomever least doesn't, but is also able to win the whole thing.
Representative democracy only works if you vote for a representative.
Two outcomes for the election, not two choices. You exist outside of a ballot box
Insert irish and Malcolm X stances
Why perputrate a failed system that offers 2 Choices , both Zionist ? Thats Undemocratic. People Need to vote for who represents them , if they dont they fail in their Duty of Citizens and Perputrate a Undemocratic system ,that offers bad choices .
Somebody that doesnt do that but votes for a "Lesser evil" is activly participating in the Destruction of Democracy. He is a Enableer of this Destruction. A traiteor to his Countryman , and in this Particluar case , all of Humanity and its Developments in Humanitarianism.
Kamala already threw trans people under the bus
Fuck off, I look forward to you crying all the crocodilian tears you can't spare for the children of Palestine
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
You are an actual lemming. If you provide your enthusiastic support for the 'same as always' candidate, when do you think things will ever change for the better? Grab a gun! Join a union! Stop telling people to vote for genocide!
America has always been a dictatorship of the capitalist class over everyone else. You do not have two real options to choose from, you have two pre-selected symbolic representations of your subjugation by and for capital.
You could literally just stay home, eat cheetos and masturbate for the entirety of election day and accomplish more politically than endorsing wither genocidal candidate because you withdrew your support from any candidate until they fuck off with the genocide. They're both equally bad, this isn't a meaningful decision, so not bothering to make it is fine.
Yeah electorialism is a fuck, but if you're the type that believes in it, then you have to accept that it only works if you vote for someone who represents you, not for whomever least doesn't, but is also able to win the whole thing.
Representative democracy only works if you vote for a representative.
Edit: I see I posted it twice... Weird, but it works as aresponce to both
But you misunderstand us, everything is not the same. In the US, the borgeois double party encompasses a sprawling ecosystem of rich and varied fascism, with every species serving a purpose in facilitating the flow of capital. It's fascists of the blue variety, usually willfully ignorant, who insist on ironically reducing a century's worth of comprehensive analysis to "a simplification" just because it arrives at clear conclusions in a way that is verboten in liberal thought.
In reality, it's that trained liberal reflex of peeling off increasingly atom-thin layers of nuance to wrap over increasingly visible fascist policy that, historically, has only ever ended in naked fascism. Only liberals could torture into being the nebulous mirror image of a fascism to define themselves against that somehow also lets them off the hook for the genocide they've been doing for a year. My brother in capitalism, we are the fascists. You may personally think there's still daylight between liberalism and fascism, but most of the world knows better by now.
Very cool not-a-sham democracy we have here
Incredible thing to admit. "Finally your opinion doesn't matter in this system" okay cool so it doesn't matter who I'm voting for, glad we are on the same page.
Just had a widdle thought but I think on this site we have conflated "has no meaningful effect" with "doesn't matter." Here thinking of the minor struggle session about voting having a moral value recently. It does matter if you're voting for a genocider, but it has no effect.