Me neither. I was convinced this mad times are finally over with harris and that we could have convinced her to stop supporting genocide-Bibi.
Now we have this fucking dictator loving orange clown, again. FFS how can people vote for this motherfucker after those 4(or even 8) years of nightmares (Biden did not manage to undo all the horrible stuff trump has done)
Biden literally expanded the border control/immigration policies that Trump set. Factually and literally, he did expand on them.
Liberals need to fuck off with the "well, actually no in my opinion" when it comes to debating literal facts. This is facts. Biden expanded multiple things created under Trump and even gave himself unlimited power knowing that Trump was likely running against Kamala.
Can you actually put up a debate or reasoning behind your thoughts? Or do you usually just go "NUH UH!"
Well, she is not the only person to decide, and there are more democrats in favour to stopping the genocide than there are republicans with own opinions.
What are your sources about that?
And I was not talking about majority vs minority, but count of not-zionist-democrats vs count not-zionist-republicans
So in other words, I bet, the brave people that demonstrated for 🇵🇸 in America are more likely vote democratic than republican
And, of course, a dual-poly government (like only two strong parties) is nearly as bad as only one party government, so it is reasonable that US people always have to decide between bad or worse.
We've already sent...so much. Trump would just be adding more, sure. But this administration has already given over 10 billion dollars.
There's a more that non-zero chance of Trump also being a bumbling incompetent and fucking up the relationship with Israel as he is a wanna-be strongman. Either way, Israel is getting money. More money to Israel doesn't make a genocide happen any less. There's no "Super-Genocide". It's as evil as it gets. Children are being mauled. Babies are getting stomped by IDF soldiers and women beingremovedd. Giving more money just ensures a higher paycheck for those doing it and easier time putting more bombs in strategic supplies.
I don't have a source for how many Democrats are Zionist vs. how many Republicans. It doesn't really matter, because as long as the majority of a party supports Zionism, who cares if technically the other party supports it more?
Well, democrats hate a demented president and I believe the power in the senate (where decisions about policies are made) were republican. Additionally, only because the democrats do a bad job, it doesn’t mean that republicans can’t do it even worse.
Trump has stated that he thinks genocide-Bibi is doing “a good job”. I hope that says it all, isn’t it?
Obama had a democratic supermajority during his presidency and refused to enact/codify roe v wade and multiple other major decisions for working class citizen...like accepting a shitty republican healthcare program he didn't have to. The excuse of "republicans are stopping us!" is complete horseshit.
Democrats aren't hindered by republicans. Senate always has trouble agreeing on things unless it's military aid for bombing brown people or cutting funding to programs.
By supporting Kamala/zionism (I sent you a link by Opensecrets which documented AIPAC donations), attacking Jill Stein/Claudia and expanding on Trump's border wall policy...not much has changed.
Yea so what you want to say, is that it did not matter who won anyway?
Well that could be, and I think there will be no definite proof stating otherwise, nonetheless, I think, that way more people suffer with the USA president we have now.
It matters where your principles stand and where your morals begin. Engaging in electoralism to reinforce genocide shows where they are. Voting PSL would be an example of at least engaging in electoralism to show you don't support genocide.
The decay is faster. As the old Dwarven saying goes...it was inevitable.
I agree, I am privileged enough to live in a country with a voting system where I can vote in line of my morals and it affects politics more or less in the direction I prefer (e.g. I vote pirates and by that I give oder parties with similar morals more power as well).
In America, if you vote PSL, you affect the politics to go more into republican side, where I think morals differ more to PSL than democrats morals
Yes, I agree with you, my friend. Also, Hartz is not ideal. But we were hoping that there would be American pressure on it to stop the genocide, unlike Trump, he doesn’t care about anyone, he’s crazy
It is fine for me, the democracy of USA is rotten away and desperately needs a full refactoring. If I was American, I think I would start organising at the latest now. But that’s difficult to say living in an peaceful Europe country..
I hope the youth of America and the youth of Russia bring sense in these countries..
That's fine, but it doesn't change anything. It's time to get offline and start fighting even if everyone is gonna die. Let me know if you don't know where to start.
I was also wondering how these people agreed to him in the elections. This world has become full of lunatics. Even Haaretz and Trump are two sides of the same coin. He will say continue the war and Haaretz will say stop the war while continuing the genocide.
There is never the choice between good and bad, but Harris had more good than trump, which in my opinion has none good other than chaos which may lead collapse to new societies which may or may not be better..
What exactly? Trump said mean things? What about Kamala is good/better?
Both wanted fracking/oil drilling
Both didn't care about trans people (Kamala: we have to follow the law)
Kamala actively put marginalized people from her community into jail on marijuana charges while Trump bankrupted a few casinos.
Both want hostile relations with China.
If anything, Kamala/Joe ramped up two wars. Trump actually wants to end Ukraine. (we'll see)
So how exactly is either one worse? Orange man say bad thing?
Edit: You know what, I could give you "character". Sure. Creepy orange guy. Then again, the democrats ran Biden...so.
The difference for me is that Harris isn’t notoriously lying all the time (I mean completely senseless lies, often contradicting himself, like way out of logic)
But I guess you're right. At the end of the day, the only real difference is that ones a angry mean cheeto and the other one really tells you the things you want to hear!
I've completely whooped your fucking ass on every defending point you have for her yet you choose to plug your ears and worship the democratic party..
Hu? Lol? I think you read my writing wrong.. How am I a democrat worshipper exactly by just trying ti write that you can vote for the lesser evil and still organise FFS
You sat here and defended Harris the entire time we've been speaking...my bad I assumed? It's not the bad of an approximation but you know what, I do apologize for that if that isn't the case.
However, the lesser evil option is PSL. Greens haven't committed genocide or bombing campaigns either.
Of course! I want green parties everywhere in the world, but in fucked up voting system, you sometimes have vote wrong to vote right, that is way you organise as well, trying to split the big parties up into many sub-parties.
Me neither. I was convinced this mad times are finally over with harris and that we could have convinced her to stop supporting genocide-Bibi.
Now we have this fucking dictator loving orange clown, again. FFS how can people vote for this motherfucker after those 4(or even 8) years of nightmares (Biden did not manage to undo all the horrible stuff trump has done)
He expanded upon them
I would not say that personally, but I respect your opinion.
Biden literally expanded the border control/immigration policies that Trump set. Factually and literally, he did expand on them.
Liberals need to fuck off with the "well, actually no in my opinion" when it comes to debating literal facts. This is facts. Biden expanded multiple things created under Trump and even gave himself unlimited power knowing that Trump was likely running against Kamala.
Can you actually put up a debate or reasoning behind your thoughts? Or do you usually just go "NUH UH!"
Biden is not harris and I think biden did some wrong as well, but what are you gonna do with a republican lead senate…
Democrats can not do so much wrong do be on pair with trump
You stop engaging in electoralism, start organizing and arming yourself. That's what you do.
Can you not vote and organise?
Then why defend Harris? Why not vote PSL and organize?
Because your ballot has no value in this fucked up voting system if you are not voting blue or red
It makes no difference if don’t vote or vote PSL
I'm just...confused then. Why are you defending "lesser evil" at all?
I just write what I am thinking and I’m interested in how people think about what I think
I don’t want to influence anybody, I just want to understand why people have the opinions they have or what their motivations for their actions are.
It just interests me
Understandable.
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That was never going to happen, she was adamant about her support for Israel even when it was obviously detrimental to her.
Well, she is not the only person to decide, and there are more democrats in favour to stopping the genocide than there are republicans with own opinions.
What are your sources about that? And I was not talking about majority vs minority, but count of not-zionist-democrats vs count not-zionist-republicans
So in other words, I bet, the brave people that demonstrated for 🇵🇸 in America are more likely vote democratic than republican
And, of course, a dual-poly government (like only two strong parties) is nearly as bad as only one party government, so it is reasonable that US people always have to decide between bad or worse.
Yes but the base has no actual power within the party and the leadership is as zionist as the republicans
Jo that is why republicans are the worse decision 😅
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
Also see: AIPAC
Yea, do you really think the number stays lower for trump than it would have under harris?
What number? AIPAC donates equally to both. Zionism is bipartisan. Neither is gonna be lower or higher.
They're both genocidal monsters. Organize.
The number of dollars going to isreal
We've already sent...so much. Trump would just be adding more, sure. But this administration has already given over 10 billion dollars.
There's a more that non-zero chance of Trump also being a bumbling incompetent and fucking up the relationship with Israel as he is a wanna-be strongman. Either way, Israel is getting money. More money to Israel doesn't make a genocide happen any less. There's no "Super-Genocide". It's as evil as it gets. Children are being mauled. Babies are getting stomped by IDF soldiers and women beingremovedd. Giving more money just ensures a higher paycheck for those doing it and easier time putting more bombs in strategic supplies.
That is well written text and there is nothing in that text that I disagree with..
I don't have a source for how many Democrats are Zionist vs. how many Republicans. It doesn't really matter, because as long as the majority of a party supports Zionism, who cares if technically the other party supports it more?
Well, it does matter if you can talk normally with one side but not with the other and if those two are the only options
I’m generally against violence, but if I would live in USA I would join a resistance, I think
Democrats have been in power since the current genocide began
Well, democrats hate a demented president and I believe the power in the senate (where decisions about policies are made) were republican. Additionally, only because the democrats do a bad job, it doesn’t mean that republicans can’t do it even worse.
Trump has stated that he thinks genocide-Bibi is doing “a good job”. I hope that says it all, isn’t it?
Obama had a democratic supermajority during his presidency and refused to enact/codify roe v wade and multiple other major decisions for working class citizen...like accepting a shitty republican healthcare program he didn't have to. The excuse of "republicans are stopping us!" is complete horseshit.
Democrats aren't hindered by republicans. Senate always has trouble agreeing on things unless it's military aid for bombing brown people or cutting funding to programs.
I am still in believe that some democrats changed their opinion since then..
By supporting Kamala/zionism (I sent you a link by Opensecrets which documented AIPAC donations), attacking Jill Stein/Claudia and expanding on Trump's border wall policy...not much has changed.
Yea so what you want to say, is that it did not matter who won anyway?
Well that could be, and I think there will be no definite proof stating otherwise, nonetheless, I think, that way more people suffer with the USA president we have now.
It matters where your principles stand and where your morals begin. Engaging in electoralism to reinforce genocide shows where they are. Voting PSL would be an example of at least engaging in electoralism to show you don't support genocide.
The decay is faster. As the old Dwarven saying goes...it was inevitable.
I agree, I am privileged enough to live in a country with a voting system where I can vote in line of my morals and it affects politics more or less in the direction I prefer (e.g. I vote pirates and by that I give oder parties with similar morals more power as well).
In America, if you vote PSL, you affect the politics to go more into republican side, where I think morals differ more to PSL than democrats morals
But that’s just me viewing from the outside
How does that logic work when even adding third party votes to Kamala's side that she still wouldn't have had enough to win the electoral or popular?
You have not known this at time you vote, normally one vote prior the ballots are counted.
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Yes, I agree with you, my friend. Also, Hartz is not ideal. But we were hoping that there would be American pressure on it to stop the genocide, unlike Trump, he doesn’t care about anyone, he’s crazy
Yea, but we would had have a chance talking reasonable with her, since she is thinking more or less rational unlike some other orange idiot.
Her "I'm speaking!!" to Palestinian protestors is proof of that alone. Her constant support and funding from AIPAC is another as well.
What fantasy world do you think genocide Kamala would stop supporting Israel or start supporting Gaza?
Well that was not what I wanted to say. Voting not for trump is not the same as voting for harris
Not voting for harris is voting for trump.
At least in my eyes
So you just completely ignored what everyone has been saying, huh? You realize when you do that people, rightfully, make fun of you?
Also, how about organizing instead of voting.
It is fine for me, the democracy of USA is rotten away and desperately needs a full refactoring. If I was American, I think I would start organising at the latest now. But that’s difficult to say living in an peaceful Europe country..
I hope the youth of America and the youth of Russia bring sense in these countries..
I mean one can still hope
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Yea, I’m a swiss optimist 🤷🏻
We can't depend on Democrats to stop Trump, this is now incredibly well proven. We have 4 years to figure out something else.
I fear many won’t survive another 4 years 😞
That's fine, but it doesn't change anything. It's time to get offline and start fighting even if everyone is gonna die. Let me know if you don't know where to start.
😄I start by making my own commune somewhere hidden in the Swiss Alps
I was also wondering how these people agreed to him in the elections. This world has become full of lunatics. Even Haaretz and Trump are two sides of the same coin. He will say continue the war and Haaretz will say stop the war while continuing the genocide.
There is never the choice between good and bad, but Harris had more good than trump, which in my opinion has none good other than chaos which may lead collapse to new societies which may or may not be better..
What exactly? Trump said mean things? What about Kamala is good/better?
Both wanted fracking/oil drilling Both didn't care about trans people (Kamala: we have to follow the law) Kamala actively put marginalized people from her community into jail on marijuana charges while Trump bankrupted a few casinos. Both want hostile relations with China.
If anything, Kamala/Joe ramped up two wars. Trump actually wants to end Ukraine. (we'll see)
So how exactly is either one worse? Orange man say bad thing?
Edit: You know what, I could give you "character". Sure. Creepy orange guy. Then again, the democrats ran Biden...so.
The difference for me is that Harris isn’t notoriously lying all the time (I mean completely senseless lies, often contradicting himself, like way out of logic)
But if you see no difference 🤷🏻 I don’t know..
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/31/kamala-harris-flip-flop-on-fracking-frames-fight-f/
https://nypost.com/2024/09/27/opinion/kamala-harris-intentional-lack-of-clarity-on-israel-raises-red-flags/
She did that too. 🤷🏻 I don’t know…
But I guess you're right. At the end of the day, the only real difference is that ones a angry mean cheeto and the other one really tells you the things you want to hear!
I've completely whooped your fucking ass on every defending point you have for her yet you choose to plug your ears and worship the democratic party..
Hu? Lol? I think you read my writing wrong.. How am I a democrat worshipper exactly by just trying ti write that you can vote for the lesser evil and still organise FFS
You sat here and defended Harris the entire time we've been speaking...my bad I assumed? It's not the bad of an approximation but you know what, I do apologize for that if that isn't the case.
However, the lesser evil option is PSL. Greens haven't committed genocide or bombing campaigns either.
Of course! I want green parties everywhere in the world, but in fucked up voting system, you sometimes have vote wrong to vote right, that is way you organise as well, trying to split the big parties up into many sub-parties.