YOU are speaking!

Have you made any poignant commentary on the recent election in the U.S.? Do you have a good response to liberals who are upset with the results or process of the election? Have you written or seen something as a comment reply/post that you think has standalone value? Did you see a new take or analysis you hadn’t previously considered?

Whether it’s a long idea with lots of context, or a short and sweet one liner, we want those thoughts aggregated here. This post is intended to be a resource for comrades to draw from when having actual discussions outside of Hexbear both online or IRL regarding the election.

Consider this a mini-effortpost aggregator. This is not for shitposts, but humor is completely acceptable if it helps make the point.

  • ChaosMaterialist [he/him]
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    5 hours ago

    I made a similar post from some early successes I've had today. Most of it is functionally aftercare. Here's the gist:

    Just a reminder to tell your fellow liberals that they didn't fail anyone. They were failed by DNC leadership

    I've also had success with: "The disenchantment with the Democratic party will pave the way for a true 3rd party that represents regular folks instead of rich donors."

    • spectre [he/him]
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      4 hours ago

      Your post partially inspired my post here: Let a hundred local socialist parties bloom

      Summary for those who won't click through is:

      • we know as socialists we need to "organize"
      • liberals are ready to get serious (trump bad)
      • there are many reasons currently to not jump in to an existing org (it doesn't exist near you, "political differences", liberal friends aren't ready to leap in to it with you etc..)
      • logical, though experimental, approach is to create a "microparty" with your friends. Then you are organized and you have a platform to educate them while also working as a political unit.
      • next step is to merge your microparty with an org that actually matters, or maybe you grow big enough to get something done in your city, or maybe yours is the best one and other microparties coalition and/or merge with you?
    • miz [any, any]
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      5 hours ago

      so do they have to wait until the 3rd party gets crushed to learn about the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and that the only use for electorialism is as publicity for its own failings?

      • ChaosMaterialist [he/him]
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        4 hours ago

        Losing is unimportant, just look at Trump lmao!

        More seriously, electoralism can be a gateway for actual organizing, and there is use to running doomed campaigns. From marx and blushing-engels talking about why third party candidates have uses

        that workers’ candidates are nominated everywhere in opposition to bourgeois-democratic candidates. As far as possible they should be League members and their election should be pursued by all possible means. Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled.

        • miz [any, any]
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          4 hours ago

          can be a gateway for actual organizing

          this is what I was trying to imply with "publicity for its own failings" but I could have been clearer

          • ChaosMaterialist [he/him]
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            4 hours ago

            this is what I was trying to imply with "publicity for its own failings" but I could have been clearer

            Happens to me all the time!

      • spectre [he/him]
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        4 hours ago

        Any third party that solely focuses on electoralism like Dems do is disqualified from the conversation imo. The idea is that the third party is doing more than that (and thus, achieving more than electoral outcomes) like proper socialists.