While demanding their vote

  • beef_curds [she/her]
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    1 month ago

    Given that they didn't run on trans issues, they're really arguing that it's damaging for trans people to be in the party at all, or associated with it in any way. So oblige them.

    Next cycle, when the vote-shaming kicks into gear, I'll calmly explain that I'm not voting for their ghoul because I don't want to harm their electoral chances.

    • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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      1 month ago

      Given that they didn't run on trans issues

      They kinda did run on Trans-Issues, in so far as they asserted "Trump will be worse". Also, when they tried to shoe-horn the LGBTQ flag into the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel. That's what made the Dems Woke. They pinkwashed themselves, which must have been what cost them all those votes between 2020 and 2024.

      Next cycle, when the vote-shaming kicks into gear, I'll calmly explain that I'm not voting for their ghoul because I don't want to harm their electoral chances.

      The game is always and forever "We owe you nothing, you owe us everything". The vote-shaming is a way of deflecting blame for future shitty policies by insisting Dems (A) only win by catering to conservatives and (B) only lose when they are stabbed in the back by leftists. The path forward is always rightward. Voting for them proves that. Not voting for them proves that.

      The only real way to disprove it is to run a candidate that is unapologetically pro-LGBTQ and win. But this becomes an increasingly difficult task in gerrymandered districts and disenfranchised states.

  • frauddogg [null/void, undecided]
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    1 month ago

    Until there's harsh, incapable-of-being-ignored, and expected consequences for said betrayal. I'm just saying every time the crackers put a marginalized identity under the bus, a cracker should catch a couple rounds or four and a half inches of 440 steel over it at this point whether or not said cracker was involved. They wanna sell us, well, let's bleed them.

    • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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      1 month ago

      Until there's harsh, incapable-of-being-ignored, and expected consequences for said betrayal

      The fundamental problem of being a minority is that your relatively small population size and often fragmented diaspora makes you an easy target for bullying. And westerners love their Strategy Of Tension. Which means your minority community is often being Grima Wormtongued with some bullshit about how Other Minority is the real reason you're being persecuted.

      I can very easily see a future in which Arab-American Voters and Trans-American Voters are told "Sorry but its the other guy standing in the way of your civil rights" and told to duke it out, while Christian Conservative Mayo Americans heckle both groups from box seats.

      They wanna sell us, well, let's bleed them.

      Easy to call for violence in this way. Significantly harder to deliver on it. Talk is cheap. But who is seriously interested in martyring themselves Thomas Matthew Crooks / Ryan Wesley Routh style trying to make a point?

      • frauddogg [null/void, undecided]
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        1 month ago

        But who is seriously interested in martyring themselves Thomas Matthew Crooks / Ryan Wesley Routh style trying to make a point?

        It's either that, or we get returned to slavery. Crackers ain't gonna stop with "tension", just as much as crackers ain't gonna get in the way of the cops gunning us down. I already know how it's gonna go down if it's me facing another pig down. I'm not interested in hearing cracker-assed pearl clutching about "buh buh buh martyrdom" the fuck are we getting from existing in this state in this cracker-assed country???? Like real talk if that's all you got for me fuck off.

        downbear

        • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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          1 month ago

          It's either that, or we get returned to slavery.

          If you believe your only value to your friends and neighbors is the commission of arbitrary suicidal stochastic violence, then you've already lost.

          I'm not interested in hearing cracker-assed pearl clutching about "buh buh buh martyrdom" the fuck are we getting from existing in this state in this cracker-assed country????

          You have access to physical capital, to education, and to a significant minority population that still has ample organizing capacity for local mutual aid and self-defense. Throwing that all away in the vain hope of making headlines is shortsighted to the extreme.

    • Jenniferrr [she/her, comrade/them]
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      1 month ago

      Idk I'm not gonna put myself in a mens prison and do random violence to white people, I don't really see the purpose of that. The leaders of the party and their most ardent followers are throwing us under the bus but I have yet to meet an actual person in real who wants to do that

      • frauddogg [null/void, undecided]
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        1 month ago

        https://readsettlers.org

        Just 'cause they don't say the quiet part to your face doesn't mean they don't want to

        • Jenniferrr [she/her, comrade/them]
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          1 month ago

          Yeah it's true and before I came out I definitely got to hear what liberals think about trans people, which sucks ass. Idk Im a cockroach though I'm just gonna try and survive what's coming

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
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      1 month ago

      focusing on attacking the finger that pulls the trigger is self defeating when there are four other fingers that can just as easily do it and three other appendages with digits that could also do it.

      • frauddogg [null/void, undecided]
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        1 month ago

        Then break the fingers one by fucking one honestly I'm so done with crackers tryna preach non-violence at me like that shit has ever worked for us (and no, unless I see you as a REGULAR in em_poc I don't believe you're anything BUT a cracker tryna step to me)

        downbear

        • Jenniferrr [she/her, comrade/them]
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          1 month ago

          I'm not even proposing nonviolence I'm just saying that random unorganized acts of individual violence are unlikely to yield results

        • eldavi@lemmy.ml
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          1 month ago

          that's not what i'm preaching and what i'm saying is that the focus on the fingers is misplaced; i get it because they're the ones committing the violence but they outnumber everyone who would take action at a rate of millions to one.

          if everyone spent themselves attacking the fingers; the other hand isn't even going to be aware that it happened, much less the other appendages, and the head still gets what it wanted in the first place. passion is useless if it's not tempered with thought.

          • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 month ago

            That said, all those shitty CEOs and other heads of state have addresses, kids that go to school somewhere, they have vehicles and other places where accidents can happen...

            • eldavi@lemmy.ml
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              1 month ago

              in case you're not already aware: lemmy isn't private and the things everyone puts on here are admissible in court should some asshat ever try.