I met a guy in a bar, and they asked me why the democrats lost (we don't live in the US)
I replied with something along the lines of "because they didn't condemn the genocide in Gaza" and they responded with "isn't that hypocritical? The left claims to be against antisemitism"
I tried to explain the usual antizionism isn't antisemitism, but before I finished they responded with "but we have to give the [antisemitic slur] something"
I had to leave for my turn on the karaoke, but after that they came up to me apologizing and explaining how they hate both sides
I don't want to live in a shitty web comic
Pretty irresponsibly reductive on my part but i find that often times when you bring up a topic that someone thinks they should have an opinion on, they just repeat whatever thing made the most sense to them the last time they thought or heard about it.
Then, after bumbling around the conversation trying to make it seem like they have actually thought about the thing they're talking about, they reflect a little bit and realize they probably sounded like they cared more than they actually do. That's where the "i actually hate both sides" part comes in.
Most people just want to shoot the shit and will craft opinions out of thin air
All this combined with internalized xenophobia
This guy doesn't know anything about the middle east or the us, but he feels compelled to have an opinion on it
When he feels like he messed up, his immediate thought is "I hated the wrong group"
Are you sure that's really "crafting opinions out of thin air" like you say, or is that more just crafting public-facing opinions out of thin air? Because I'd think that someone saying whatever they think is socially appropriate in order to avoid confrontation, that that doesn't really preclude having genuine opinions, even if underdeveloped and unstable — it just means that their ideology sees the avoidance of social confrontation as the highest priority.
I see what you're saying and i wish I had the same faith in the other adults in my life. I'm not ruling out the possibility that I'm being unfair but it's hard to imagine mike at work has thought about the middle East even one time in the last month
Yeah, you're probably right
And now the conversation with you is the last thing they heard about it. Maybe something will stick and plant a seed of doubt about the mainstream narrative. Even in conversations about topics that do not threaten hegemony, people do not usually change their minds immediate upon hearing new information. But people do change their minds all the time, just later in private and on their own terms.
The foremost problem with changing the mind of white western chauvinists really is racism which makes them unable to feel a normal amount of empathy. You explain about Palestinians suffering and they understand and believe you and it just does not trigger the normal human response of caring. So they seek explanations to justify their own failure as a human being to save face and imperial propaganda offers plenty. One countermeasure that just works and smashes through the lack of empathy is real human connection to affected people. But it's hard to implement as a general strategy.
The second big thing is instinctive fear to lose some of the material privileges they might have as a white liberal in the imperial core by going down the road of solidarity. The natural countermeasure would be raising working class solidarity and explain how their own struggles are interconnected.
Edit: One strategy, that has worked for me with white but leftist friends who are open minded and invested in our friendship is the following: After making clear, how much it matters to me and having a discussion, I cut the argument short and just give them homework. Ask them to just please read this theory. "Please just do this for me." Or to visit a local solidarity camp. It gives them time to change their minds in their own time. It worked on three people so far. Two of them said, they would never come to pro Palestine protest with me initially and later went multiple times. One even took night shifts at a camp.
Second edit: Actually I had to ask a friend to assign them the theory and answer questions, after they agreed, because I felt too triggered by their bullshit. So it wasn't easy or anything. And I feel lucky, that it worked multiple times. I was really scared to lose three good friends over this one after the other.
Yeah, I broadly agree. I would phrase it as outside of their hobbies, interests, and work a lot of people don't have a lot of general knowledge and don't have any strong feelings about things they do know.