I might be way off the mark here but the more I think about self crit and my own neurodivergence (maybe I'm been a bit black and white about this) the idea of having a sub where people go to self flagrate over their mistakes to signal to us they are reformed?

I dunno chat.

I've lurked here a while and while some of the drama on here has been funny or sad or anger inducing, at no point did I ever feel satisfied reading a self crit post. I never felt "oh the sights clean now time to make an account".

I butted heads with incels on here immediately and while those people genuinely made me uncomfortable i don't wish to see a selfcrit from them. In fact it would frankly appear disingenuous and virtue signally to me.

Like if people get called out then it's on them to go do the homework, I don't expect to have to mark it though. The people I butted heads with about that incel thread got comments removed and temp banned. That seems reasonable to me. I'll die inside if I see a self crit on it.

I dunno I think there's a lot of neurodivergence on this site, myself included. We try to make it a safe space for everyone which is great.

I think what I'm worried is that a culture exists on here where if a ND makes a mistake, they may feel cut off and left out from a community they need for socialising and support unless they make a self flagrating post further signposting their mistakes.

There's a very niche and cool silly culture on this site. For a lot of ND people who don't have supportive irl group I can't imagine how it would feel to make fuck up and then feel locked out or lost this clique. I don't think making a new account is the answer either because people's accounts and history are representatives of who they are so to lose that for some might be like losing their identity as well. Maybe I'm projecting here but if I really embarrassed myself and didn't think people would talk to me as much on here because of it and that the only way to fix it was a self crit post. That's scary.

And then when i see self crit posts I feel like "damn nobody needed this, it feels uncomfortable to see this" like them getting dog piled and a temp ban wasn't enough punishment.

Like it felt maybe relevant when the admins/mods did some self crit on their behaviour but like they run the site so that kinda makes sense (not really).... or it might have if they all did it, so far I only saw like a few and even then it felt uncomfortable to read their comments.

Clearly they made a mistake and having to convince faceless terminally online people that they had the sites best interests at heart was sad to watch given they clearly did care cos of the graft they put into the site.

I dunno I don't see the point in this comm personally but I'm bored, my tamagotchi just died and I have always kinda thought this since the comm appeared so like yeah, let me know what I'm missing because I'm not the world and obviously my single view will be bias and full of holes or missing context.

Until then the sub feels a bit like todd asking cheaters on fo76 to write an apology letter and it feels like a bit of a toxic power dynamic to have it on the site kinda looooming as an example of what happens to the naughty hexbears.

Edit: lmao I've deleted and undeleted this twice cos I'm scared of getting grief but then I'm kinda proving my point doing that so I'll be a big girl and leave it up.

  • AnneVolin@lemmy.ml
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    21 hours ago

    I think hexbear like every leftist space ever hasn't actually worked out how it does social reproduction outside of posting memes. The difficulty of social reproduction in these types of spaces is always rife with problems because the expectation of a collapsed cultural context means that people have to be onerously careful in how they word things so people misrepresent what they say (e.g. when having a deep discussion people have different definitions of fascism and different understandings of "what is to be done" and depending on how you phrase it that breaks the hugbox rules) or they otherwise they break bad word rules some of which are lulzy and often get lulzier by the day (e.g. the TW gossip is a sexist word post).

    I've seen mods overreact entirely on this site based on literally a meme said to the wrong person. Likewise mods/admins very often get to get away with their bad behavior and enforce completely different rules on users (e.g. its ban evasion when you do it, but it's "privacy" when they do it).

    In practice what you're asking for is typically unrealistic of these kinds of spaces because very often the lowest common denominator isn't effort posting because it's risky, but memes and trying on hats. This place reminds me a lot of Shit Reddit Says back in it's heyday, but it doesn't have anything to really gawk at.

    Meanwhile the admins like to pretend they want people to start effort posting more but don't have any understanding or experience in managing a community of anything but shitposters.

    As Mao said

    With regard to comrades who have erred, some people say we must observe them and see if they are going to correct their mistakes. I would say just observing them will not do, we must help them correct their mistakes. That is to say, first we must observe and second we must give help. Everybody needs help; those who have not done wrong need it and those who have need it still more. Probably no one is free from mistakes, only some make more and some less, and once they do they need help. It is passive just to observe; conditions must be created to help those who have erred to mend their ways. A clear distinction must be drawn between right and wrong, for inner-Party controversies over principle are a reflection inside the Party of the class struggle in society, and no equivocation is to be tolerated. It is normal, in accordance with the merits of the case, to mete out appropriate and well grounded criticism to comrades who have erred, and even to conduct necessary struggle against them; this is to help them correct mistakes. To deny them help and, what is worse, to gloat over their mistakes, is sectarianism.

    • Verenata [she/her]
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      21 hours ago

      I'm mandating a new rule that everyone has their accounts monitored for behaviour unbecoming to a terminally online leftist.

      But to be like not ironic for a second I think I bounce between shitposting and wanting to be lovely and chat and be all community the next to the point it exhausts even me. i-love-not-thinking

      It's gotta be an impossible balance to strike or manage.