what if like, things didn't exist in vacuums, what if "individuals" and "lone wolfs" weren't actual things but rather framings of things, and instead these people and their actions existed within, as a part of, the system, rather than separate from it?? gosh, could a mass movement ever be influenced by any sort of propaganda, in the same way these individuals' actions were influenced by the system within which they lived?????
Nothing exists in a vacuum. I said if people want to go ice a CEO, they should do it. My point is that we've had evidence of this, which yes, in 1910s-1920s russia and 1800s America, that it is something that grows more common with revolutionary sentiment. You can do these things; but they have almost never influenced a mass movement.
“We believe that even a hundred regicides can never produce so stimulating and educational an effect as this participation of tens of thousands of working people in meetings where their vital interests and the links between politics and these interests are discussed, and as this participation in a struggle, which really rouses ever new and “untapped” sections of the proletariat to greater political consciousness, to a broader revolutionary struggle.” ~ Lenin
You aren't getting scoffed at or told not to do it or that it is a bad thing necessarily OR that it cannot co-exist with a mass movement. People are just pointing to the history and theory we have on the topic and specifically the quote above is especially relevant. Lenin held adventurism in a bit more disdain, but I think conditions are different in every nation.
Russia in the turn of the last century is far different than America now. Does that mean history will change entirely? No. I don't doubt that this will become more common. It was propaganda of the deed-day every day in early America. If anything, they were successfully able to manufacture an effective "red scare" from the actions of anarchists then. Hell, one even shot a president, Leon Czolgosz. What did that do? McKinley's death is a joke now because they didn't use the X-Ray machine that was present at his assassination. That is in reference to American history.
"gosh, could a mass movement ever be influenced by any sort of propaganda, in the same way these individuals’ actions were influenced by the system within which they lived???"
No one is denying that. They're saying how it ends up. If someone wants to sacrifice their life entirely to try and influence a heavily crippled working class and labor aristocracy in America, they're free to do it and people will probably cheer for it. The problem is America barely has a cognizant "mass-movement". and instead some powerful socialist parties. We're getting there, though.
what if like, things didn't exist in vacuums, what if "individuals" and "lone wolfs" weren't actual things but rather framings of things, and instead these people and their actions existed within, as a part of, the system, rather than separate from it?? gosh, could a mass movement ever be influenced by any sort of propaganda, in the same way these individuals' actions were influenced by the system within which they lived?????
could you rephrase this in the context of coconuts?
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Nothing exists in a vacuum. I said if people want to go ice a CEO, they should do it. My point is that we've had evidence of this, which yes, in 1910s-1920s russia and 1800s America, that it is something that grows more common with revolutionary sentiment. You can do these things; but they have almost never influenced a mass movement.
“We believe that even a hundred regicides can never produce so stimulating and educational an effect as this participation of tens of thousands of working people in meetings where their vital interests and the links between politics and these interests are discussed, and as this participation in a struggle, which really rouses ever new and “untapped” sections of the proletariat to greater political consciousness, to a broader revolutionary struggle.” ~ Lenin
You aren't getting scoffed at or told not to do it or that it is a bad thing necessarily OR that it cannot co-exist with a mass movement. People are just pointing to the history and theory we have on the topic and specifically the quote above is especially relevant. Lenin held adventurism in a bit more disdain, but I think conditions are different in every nation.
Russia in the turn of the last century is far different than America now. Does that mean history will change entirely? No. I don't doubt that this will become more common. It was propaganda of the deed-day every day in early America. If anything, they were successfully able to manufacture an effective "red scare" from the actions of anarchists then. Hell, one even shot a president, Leon Czolgosz. What did that do? McKinley's death is a joke now because they didn't use the X-Ray machine that was present at his assassination. That is in reference to American history.
"gosh, could a mass movement ever be influenced by any sort of propaganda, in the same way these individuals’ actions were influenced by the system within which they lived???"
No one is denying that. They're saying how it ends up. If someone wants to sacrifice their life entirely to try and influence a heavily crippled working class and labor aristocracy in America, they're free to do it and people will probably cheer for it. The problem is America barely has a cognizant "mass-movement". and instead some powerful socialist parties. We're getting there, though.