something for you libs who still believe in electoralism

  • Civility [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Given Biden's statements and the record of the Obama/Biden presidency vs the Trump/Pence presidency Biden is far more likely to start at least one more war than Trump is. The average cost of a US imperialist war in the past 20 years is about 1,000,000 killed directly by US armaments, 2 times that killed indirectly by deprivation from destruction of essential infrastructure, 10 million horribly maimed and 10-40 million displaced and left stateless in a world that has never been crueller to refugees.

    There is very little Trump could do to rival that, and declarations that you're voting for Biden, or that you don't see what's wrong with voting for Biden over Trump, is incredibly alienating to anyone who lives in a country likely to be attacked by the US under Biden or who cares about anybody who does.

      • marvelous [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        On Venezuela, Biden's a hawk. He wants more sanctions, he's said things to the effect of "Venezuela is run by a strongman and America has the responsibility to 'give humanitarian relief.'"

        On Iraq, Biden voted for the invasion. Trump was just some dipshit on TV at that time. So fuck off trying to say that was somehow equivalent. Biden knew more than Trump and had more power to temper off the saber-rattling as a leading member in the Democratic party - but no, they all wanted a piece of that foreign war pie. Biden was part of the effort in starting the war in Afghanistan and will absolutely not draw down the war.

        You're not going to hear or read something like: "I, Biden, will invade Iran and start a second cold war with China by 2024" because the American public doesn't want anymore wars and doesn't like foreign adventurism while being denied medical care at home. Don't be a moron about this, keep your head on a swivel and don't be so fucking obtuse demanding to see receipts for something that is purposefully occluded.

        Trump hasn't stopped the wars, but neither has he started new ones. This will absolutely not be the case under Biden. But, yeah, he's better on climate while still being nowhere near necessary I guess so that's something.

        • jasfar [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          He hasn’t started any new wars but the wars currently under his wing have gotten worse e.g. Civilian deaths have jumped over 200% in the ME under Trump, and he has censored further reporting of those deaths. His lack of cooperation with the international community on climate change will ultimately lead to more severe mass migrations and wars. Personally I’m just not seeing a clear-cut answer that Trump is better