In light of recent events, the demcon project Rojava will be tested. What will they do now? Will AANES seek independence?

Trump has said the US shouldn't be involved in Syria, will he recall the remaining few thousand US troops from Syria? Or will the neocons convince Trump he can engage in "good" nation-building and create Kurdistan from AANES and northern Iraq? Would SDF go for such a plan since their stated goal is not a Kurdish state, but a multicultural state organised along the lines of democratic confederalism?

    • multitotal@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      14 days ago

      That’s not what they’ve been pursuing so far. Their stated goal is explicitly not a state.

      Yes, while Assad was president of Syria. AANES and the Syrian government had a sort of a peace. SAA was even sent to help SDF with the Turkish incursions, because they both wanted to preserve Syria's integrity and sovereignty. While Assad saw Rojava as destabilising and ultimately enemies of the Syrian government/state, he recognised that their goal was not to depose him, or conquer/take any more of Syria than they already had; their stated goal was to have autonomy under the Syrian constitution. They also had all the same enemies: ISIS. Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, HTS, Turkey. It made sense for SDF and Syrian govt. to maintain a truce and tolerate each other's existence, if not directly cooperate.

      I don't think AANES can exist under the kind of constitution/rule that the HTS would adopt or coexist with whatever HTS sets up. HTS are Sunni Muslims who won't accept anything but Sharia law as the rule of the land. This is why they are opposed by Iran and Hezbollah, who are both Shia Muslims. HTS's stated goal is to create a caliphate in Syria. They could just give the north east to AANES, but I don't think they'll want to give up those oil fields. SDF will be forced to fight or cooperate, and if they cooperate it will probably be the dumbest political move in history.

        • multitotal@lemmygrad.ml
          hexagon
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          12 days ago

          Why did you remove your comment calling them based? Don't self-censor because of a few American kids who need to virtue signal on a basketweaving forum.

          • supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml
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            12 days ago

            That's literally you. Rojava helped us occupy Syria. It's ok, i used to pay for true anon also. I just figured out that he is an imperialist adventurer and stopped.

            • multitotal@lemmygrad.ml
              hexagon
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              12 days ago

              I'm just pointing out the discrepancy of "critically supporting" countries like Russia and Iran, and even current Afghanistan, but then thinking Rojava is the linchpin of the US imperialist plan for world domination... rather than seeing Rojava's actions from their perspective and considering the context in which those decisions were made.

              You are aware t ISIS was planning to genocide/ethnically cleanse the Kurds in northern Syria, right? These people were fighting for literal survival and the US was the only country that was willing and able to help them substantially.

              But according to you, they should have allowed fundamentalists to chop off their heads.

              That's not an exaggeration. Since the renewed SNA offensive in the north, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced, fleeing to Rojava, for protection. Apparently Manbij has fallen, Erdogan has been talking for years about taking it.

              Rojava is literally under attack by a militia directly supported, armed and trained by a NATO country. Apparently the US had a base in Manbij, but of course they weren't going to clash with Turkey. SDF wants US in Rojava because that's part of the reason preventing Turkey from indiscriminately bombing certain cities (like Manbij).

              I think it is wrong to assume Rojava Kurds, Arabs, et al. are dumb idiots who are ready to do US's bidding for a couple of AKs. I think they are people with agency, I think they have their own goals for the future that diverge from the US', even though they may share some immediate goals. They may also see US as a valuable friend to have when trying to get Turkey to stop killing their people.

              SDF/Rojava is now under attack from the east by SNA (Turkey) and from the north by Turkey proper. They are still fighting for their existence, they can hardly be called an "imperialist force" or some kind of key player in US' plans for controlling the Middle East.

              • GlueBear @lemmygrad.ml
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                11 days ago

                Rojava is literally under attack by a militia directly supported, armed and trained by a NATO country.

                Few points:

                1. Rojava is literally supported, armed, and trained by a NATO country (USA). No one fucking cares that fascist proxies are killing each other, it happens all the time.

                2. They're not anti-imperialists, they actually want an ethnostate. Unfortunately to your frustration, many people are going to have a problem with that.

                3. Oh well, should've not trusted the west/NATO. They played a much larger role in their own demise than anyone else did. They literally only have themselves to blame for what's about to come next.

                • multitotal@lemmygrad.ml
                  hexagon
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                  11 days ago

                  Rojava is literally supported, armed, and trained by a NATO country (USA).

                  Because no one else would help them. If your options were ethnic cleansing of your own people and help from the US, which one would you choose?

                  Take Rojava out of the ideal, kumbaya world and situate it in time and history where it is now. Tell me what other option did they have?

                  they actually want an ethnostate.

                  No, they actually don't. Repeating this only betrays your ignorance of the topic to anyone with a modicum of knowledge on DAANES.

                  They played a much larger role in their own demise than anyone else did.

                  What demise? They're still there.

                  They literally only have themselves to blame for what’s about to come next.

                  Can you at least try to be less gleeful about the murder of hundreds of thousands of people? Tens of thousands have already been internally displaced, fleeing from Idlib, Manbij and other cities under attack by SNA/Turkey.

                  But keep cheering Turkey on, whose stated mission is to eradicate the PKK (Worker's Party of Kurdistan) and SDF. You want Turkey and its islamist militias to wipe out a socialist project because 1) it doesn't affect you, 2) so you can smugly write "I told you so*.

                  • GlueBear @lemmygrad.ml
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                    10 days ago

                    Literally only crackers defend rojava. Not a single Arab, Assyrian, Chaldean, or otherwise supports those psychopaths. Because we all know that they're full of shit and want their own ethnostate.

                    Forgive me if I don't care about racist terrorists who are literally tearing my home piece by piece. They wanted assad gone for so long, well now they have it. I'm only shedding tears for the Arabs that didn't want religious zealotry overtaking their secular state.

                    I'm going to be gleeful that terrorists are reaping what they're sowing.