In light of recent events, the demcon project Rojava will be tested. What will they do now? Will AANES seek independence?
Trump has said the US shouldn't be involved in Syria, will he recall the remaining few thousand US troops from Syria? Or will the neocons convince Trump he can engage in "good" nation-building and create Kurdistan from AANES and northern Iraq? Would SDF go for such a plan since their stated goal is not a Kurdish state, but a multicultural state organised along the lines of democratic confederalism?
Bingo!!! People need to ignore aesthetics and what people say. They need to look at actions and motives.
Sinochem, a Chinese company is extracting oil from Syria in the oil fields controlled by DAANES/SDF. Are the Chinese engaging in imperialism in Syria?
Sinochem
Sinochem stopped operations in Syria in 2011, according to its partner Gulfsands Petroleum. Do you have any source that they are continuing operations after 2011?
Yeah may be he was just misinformed. Happens to all of us some times.
Because you are.
I only called you an asshole because you accused me of lying, i.e. willful deception, and I meant to do no such thing. I made a mistake and thought Sinochem was still in Syria, I was wrong and admitted to the mistake.
I made a mistake, Sinochem had to stop operations because of EU sanctions on Syria. They are trying to get back though. Turns out Chinese oil companies don't use ultra-leftist logic, weird.
They did not leave because of sanctions, they reconsiders buying Syrian oil because of sanctions in 2018, four years after they pulled out. Your information is wrong again.
Your information is wrong again.
Not this time.
Chinese state-controlled Sinochem and UK-listed explorer Gulfsands Petroleum have shut down their oil operations in Syria following European Union sanctions related to the crackdown on the uprising against the rule of President Bashar al-Assad, Gulfsands said.
https://www.syria-oil.com/english/?p=2039
Imperialism? No. Being opportunistic capital parasites? Absolutely.
Still, they're not worse than the us/hrs.
Why is receiving some weapons from the US a greater sin than being opportunistic capital parasites? Why does China get critical support, but Rojava doesn't?
China has done so much more for humanity, even beyond the global fight against capitalism. Their contributions to science, health, and the arts are vast and plenty. Their support of the DPRK in resisting the US and the South's conquest is just one example of their long history of supporting AES around the globe. They ended extreme poverty in their own country, they're leading the world in renewable energy, they're always at the forefront of farming/food production breakthroughs, they forgive the debts of countries that have struggled with colonialism, they do business with countries that are being sanctioned by the US and I could go on but you get the idea.
rojava is just a worthless, temporarily-embarressed ethnostate that has accomplished nothing in its pathetic existence except support the destruction of an entire country suffering from civil war. Rojava has done nothing for humanity except curse it by actively supporting the interests of the US in western Asia. That's why self respecting communists won't support that shit-ass project that westerners glaze whenever they aren't already glazing the current religious, reactionary fascist that just displaced a secular, anti-imperialist leader.
tl;dr: China has done so much for the world, while rojava should be wiped off the map by HTS because it's just a blight.
Edit: I want to emphasize that both HTS and rojava should be utterly destroyed. Syria should be free of all western imperialists and their compradors.
Hope that helps 🙏🏼
One critique of China I have is them continuing to do business with the entity. Instead of or in addition to revenge tariffs and sanctions on US firms, they should sanction the entity. Let the US lose its pet in West Asia.
rojava should be wiped off the map by HTS
You want ISIS to genocide the Kurds so that you can be "proven right" in an internet argument. The state of you.
ethnostate
Not an ethnostate. Maybe you should learn abou Rojava before you "criticise them".
I want the extremists to kill each other so my country and the entire region can finally have peace. Yeah, you're correct.
Brace Belden, is that you? Why are you on a tiny lemmygrad forum?
Chinese firms can still be imperial bloodsucking capitalists. So yes? What’s your point?
He doesn't have one, he just wants to justify considering Rojava a revolutionary force while it literally collaborates with the biggest imperialist that has ever existed in human history. He probably printed some posters and bought that movie Hillary Clinton made. Sunk costs.
Putin and Russia attempted to join NATO in 2003. Russia still sells uranium to the USA.
You're not applying a standard consistently, but it changes according to your feelings.
You probably printed ISIS flags because they are an "anti-imperialist force" lmao.
I don't like Russia and I think both Russia and China sucks for still not cutting off business with isntrael. May be if you don't assume my viewpoints and start amalgamating people you have had arguments with in the past.
May be if you don’t assume my viewpoints
Rich coming from the person who accused me of being Brace Belden, donating to Hillary Clinton and paying for true anon (I have heard the name, I have no idea what it is).
start amalgamating people you have had arguments with in the past.
The fucking irony lmao. You saw me talk positively about Rojava and assumed all these different things about me.
Sinochem stopped operations in Syria in 2011, according to its partner Gulfsands Petroleum. Unless multitotal shares with us a source of Sinochem having operations after 2011 until 2024, talking about Sinochem is only a red herring that misleads the attention from the abundant evidence of US continued pillaging of Syrian oil.
Sinochem stopped operations in Syria in 2011, according to its partner Gulfsands Petroleum.
Not for any ideological reasons, though, they were forced to by sanctions
Sinochem stopped operations in Syria in 2011, according to its partner Gulfsands Petroleum.
I made a mistake. They've been trying to get back ever since, though.
The Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which controls the region, has “no other choices” but to sell to regime brokers or shadowy traders from northern Iraq, said Abdullah Al-Ghadawi,
Thanks for confirming that US isn't getting any of oil from Rojava.
Thanks for confirming that US isn’t getting any of oil from Rojava.
For this statement to be true, we have to ignore the following from the same article:
“Pioneering” American entrepreneurs have waded into the “murky” oil business in Syria, according to a report by the Financial Times which investigated the US oil firm Delta Crescent Energy (DCE). The company was founded by a member of a former member of the US Delta Force who knew the Kurdish leadership — the Syrian Democratic Forces — through the security company he founded, TigerSwan.
In April last year, the US Treasury granted a rare license allowing DCE to sidestep American sanctions on Syria’s oil sector. Question marks have been raised over how this has happened. The founders of DCE are said to have donated to Republican candidates but they have denied using political influence to secure the license. Speaking about DCE’s work in the Kurdish controlled north-east region, Joel Rayburn, US special envoy to Syria said that US officials endorsed the project “because we support trying to get the economy of north-east Syria up and running.”
Are you implying that the US is doing a charity in that region when you are saying that they aren't getting any oil? If so, why is there a US oil firm in the Kurdish controlled north-east region which is also known as Rojava, also known as the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES)?
I am not quite following your logic here.
Whoever ends up with the oil is irrelevant imo, the main objective for the US was that Syrian gov wasnt getting it. Although the US did indeed end up stealing a lot of it.
How much oil did DCE extract/sell? I don't mean that as a gotcha, I am genuinely asking.
Many US companies "get contracts" for things they never deliver on. Many people scam the government in that way. The company could have also been a CIA front, a way to get operatives on the ground under the guise of "prospecting" or "making deals".
I'm not denying that Rojava isn't talking to the US or cooperating, they absolutely are. I'm just thinking that Rojava gets more out of the relationship, while they only contribute a little towards US' overall goals.
China isn’t being funded and supplied by US forces to guard their assets.
Are you denying that Rojava are being used as pawns by the US?
China isn’t being funded and supplied by US forces to guard their assets.
Neither is the SDF.
Are you denying that Rojava are being used as pawns by the US?
That's a very vague statement, virtually meaningless. "being used" - to what degree, to what effect? "pawns" - that implies that Kurds don't have any agency, kinda racist ngl.
Where are they? I'm genuinely asking. US has about 1000 troops in Syria.I know of Al-Tanf base and that's it.
Literally all the the kurdish controlled area.
Rojava has been reduced to oil field guards in US service.
Literally all the the kurdish controlled area. Rojava has been reduced to oil field guards in US service.
You're saying the US is controlling all of north-eastern Syria with 1000 troops while the SDF is relegated to "oil field guards"?
Those statements show such ignorance of the situation I don't know where to begin.
Not all of Rojava is "oil fields", it's only the eastern part of Rojava that has any oil. None of the oil extracted from Syria actually goes to the US. In fact, oil extracted in Rojava was sold to the Syrian government, because the gas and oil pipelines lead to Damascus and to the Mediterranean. You know who has a large part of the contract to extract the oil in Rojava? Sinochem, a Chinese government company. Where are the accusations that China is engaging in imperialism in Syria?
It was in fact the US soldiers who are the "oil field guards", and the US soldiers are tasked with protecting the oil fields. The US has been doing it since the days of ISIS, because they wanted to deny oil access to them.
Few days ago SDF launched an attack on Deir Ez-Zour, the main "stronghold city" in the Deir Ezzour oil fields (under the control of SDF). I much rather that DAANES/SDF control the oil fields, than they be used to bolster HTS rule.
That’s not what they’ve been pursuing so far. Their stated goal is explicitly not a state.
Yes, while Assad was president of Syria. AANES and the Syrian government had a sort of a peace. SAA was even sent to help SDF with the Turkish incursions, because they both wanted to preserve Syria's integrity and sovereignty. While Assad saw Rojava as destabilising and ultimately enemies of the Syrian government/state, he recognised that their goal was not to depose him, or conquer/take any more of Syria than they already had; their stated goal was to have autonomy under the Syrian constitution. They also had all the same enemies: ISIS. Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, HTS, Turkey. It made sense for SDF and Syrian govt. to maintain a truce and tolerate each other's existence, if not directly cooperate.
I don't think AANES can exist under the kind of constitution/rule that the HTS would adopt or coexist with whatever HTS sets up. HTS are Sunni Muslims who won't accept anything but Sharia law as the rule of the land. This is why they are opposed by Iran and Hezbollah, who are both Shia Muslims. HTS's stated goal is to create a caliphate in Syria. They could just give the north east to AANES, but I don't think they'll want to give up those oil fields. SDF will be forced to fight or cooperate, and if they cooperate it will probably be the dumbest political move in history.
Why did you remove your comment calling them based? Don't self-censor because of a few American kids who need to virtue signal on a basketweaving forum.
That's literally you. Rojava helped us occupy Syria. It's ok, i used to pay for true anon also. I just figured out that he is an imperialist adventurer and stopped.
I'm just pointing out the discrepancy of "critically supporting" countries like Russia and Iran, and even current Afghanistan, but then thinking Rojava is the linchpin of the US imperialist plan for world domination... rather than seeing Rojava's actions from their perspective and considering the context in which those decisions were made.
You are aware t ISIS was planning to genocide/ethnically cleanse the Kurds in northern Syria, right? These people were fighting for literal survival and the US was the only country that was willing and able to help them substantially.
But according to you, they should have allowed fundamentalists to chop off their heads.
That's not an exaggeration. Since the renewed SNA offensive in the north, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced, fleeing to Rojava, for protection. Apparently Manbij has fallen, Erdogan has been talking for years about taking it.
Rojava is literally under attack by a militia directly supported, armed and trained by a NATO country. Apparently the US had a base in Manbij, but of course they weren't going to clash with Turkey. SDF wants US in Rojava because that's part of the reason preventing Turkey from indiscriminately bombing certain cities (like Manbij).
I think it is wrong to assume Rojava Kurds, Arabs, et al. are dumb idiots who are ready to do US's bidding for a couple of AKs. I think they are people with agency, I think they have their own goals for the future that diverge from the US', even though they may share some immediate goals. They may also see US as a valuable friend to have when trying to get Turkey to stop killing their people.
SDF/Rojava is now under attack from the east by SNA (Turkey) and from the north by Turkey proper. They are still fighting for their existence, they can hardly be called an "imperialist force" or some kind of key player in US' plans for controlling the Middle East.
Rojava is literally under attack by a militia directly supported, armed and trained by a NATO country.
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Rojava is literally supported, armed, and trained by a NATO country (USA). No one fucking cares that fascist proxies are killing each other, it happens all the time.
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They're not anti-imperialists, they actually want an ethnostate. Unfortunately to your frustration, many people are going to have a problem with that.
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Oh well, should've not trusted the west/NATO. They played a much larger role in their own demise than anyone else did. They literally only have themselves to blame for what's about to come next.
Rojava is literally supported, armed, and trained by a NATO country (USA).
Because no one else would help them. If your options were ethnic cleansing of your own people and help from the US, which one would you choose?
Take Rojava out of the ideal, kumbaya world and situate it in time and history where it is now. Tell me what other option did they have?
they actually want an ethnostate.
No, they actually don't. Repeating this only betrays your ignorance of the topic to anyone with a modicum of knowledge on DAANES.
They played a much larger role in their own demise than anyone else did.
What demise? They're still there.
They literally only have themselves to blame for what’s about to come next.
Can you at least try to be less gleeful about the murder of hundreds of thousands of people? Tens of thousands have already been internally displaced, fleeing from Idlib, Manbij and other cities under attack by SNA/Turkey.
But keep cheering Turkey on, whose stated mission is to eradicate the PKK (Worker's Party of Kurdistan) and SDF. You want Turkey and its islamist militias to wipe out a socialist project because 1) it doesn't affect you, 2) so you can smugly write "I told you so*.
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