cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22920690
Hello World,
following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.
Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we're primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don't consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.
Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.
We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don't review each individual report or moderator action unless they're specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.
We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn't allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins' criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.
We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.
Honestly, what are the odds this kid gets a trial at all? Extremely non-zero chance he
himself in the next few weeks.
Straight up: if this actually is the guy and I was the ruling class I would do everything I could to ensure that exact thing did not happen. If he dies in police custody I am Epstein brained enough at this point to buy the argument that Luigi Mangione is a fall guy because they need somebody to make an example of to keep people from getting funny ideas.
Seems pretty likely this is the guy, no? From having a manifesto to the same smile in the security footage to being completely politically lost, what would make you think that this is a random “fall guy?”
I think a fucking class traitor snitched and did the cops’ job for them
I was in the camp that was skeptical from the very beginning that the person in the Starbucks picture whose face we see (who may very well be Luigi Mangione) and the actual shooter in the video are not the same person. The backpack is different and even the coat itself doesn't seem to match (though I admit that couuld be video quality/lighting).
Now suddenly they snatch this dude who has this ghost gun on him and a "manifesto"? After all that he didn't dispose of it? I am not convinced at this point he is a fall guy and I'm extremely interested to learn more information to figure out how all the dots connect but yeah....if he suddenly was found dead in police custody having hanged himself....that'd look a bit suspicious to me. I fully accept that truth is stranger than fiction but man this whole thing is hella bizarre.
Yea not to go full blown q anon but the guy who got away for 72 hours after shooting a ceo in broad daylight being caught one state over sitting in a McDonald's with his weapon and manifesto on him is really really fucking convenient.
I guess stranger things have happened but for real...how was disposing of the gun not like step A after evading capture? Why wouldn't you disassemble it and start disposing of pieces at the earliest opportunity?
He could have just walked into any smoke shop, bought a little propane torch and melted away half the gun lol. I agree, this is fantastically convenient. As in, it reads like the fantasy of the world's laziest cop.
Him having a manifesto also doesn't really prove anything. I imagine a lot of people wrote manifestos this week, being inspired by the shooting. It just feels like a pointless addition, and an even more pointless thing for the actual shooter to have.
I want to know exactly what this "manifesto" actually is. When I hear the word "manifesto" I imagine a printed document at least 5 pages or more long, single spaced, that essentially doubles as an admission of guilt while explaining the philosophy of his actions. Having a manifesto implies that he fully expected to be caught, but he had a whole grand escape plan figured out so that clearly isn't the case.
For all we know at this point: it's a notepad file on his laptop that simply reads "law of the jungle" or some generic shit.