how does that compare to daily russian bombardment of civi targets?
How does that compare to Ukraine constantly shelling the donbas for the last 10 years? Denying Russian Ukrainians their pensions? Literally engaging in genocide by making use of Russian illegal and shit like that?
Have you seen pictures of Bakhmut after half a year of battle? How was anything still standing in Donbas after supposably 10 years of bombardment? This is such a deeply absurd propaganda point, how could anyone fall for that?
Why? Your point is a red herring either way. The scale of destruction when two nation states fight a dug in war is different from a nation state suppressing a regional separatist movement? Premise granted. So?
Just let me know when we can go back to the original argument
You're claiming 10 years of bombardment. That should somehow show, no?
What was your original point again? Ukr massive brutal arty fires that leave no trace, they fact that... they did not pay pensions to people in territories occupied by Russia? Or the bullshit about Russian being illegal, which it is not?
Oh no, I think it was your argument that the death of two shitheads at the hands of other nationalist shitheads justifies this war, and daily civilian death from Rus arty. Sure, sounds like any reasonable argument from me could help here...
Oh no, sorry, that's Russias work few kilometers north. So what about any evidence? You guys are just a cult aren't you? You don't even have anything to use as a proof other than a lie you've heard so many times you believed it?
OAS are liars? They're your guys, western stooges - and even they admit there were tens of thousands of ceasefire violations with explosive ordinance against Donetsk
Told you, I'm not into your sect's lore, you have to drop a link or I've no idea what you're talking about. And still if there were thousands of rounds, it should be very clearly visible wouldn't it? Why cant any of you produce a single image that would showcase it like the one above?
Notice how you say "civic targets" to imply bombing civillians like we and our allies do, when what you're actually talking about is striking power stations? I know that's what you actually mean, because if you or anyone in the capitalist propaganda sphere had evidence of "daily russian bombardment" of civillians, we would never hear the end of it. This is a weak deflection with no weight behind it.
Since you definitely truly care about human life, what do you think about the US-backed nazi junta's 8 years of bombings and terror raids targeted specifically at civillians? Their own people too, which I hear is apparently extra evil in the eyes of liberals who weigh morality by the fiction of statehood. Seems like the kind of thing that should have a more self-aware person clamoring for regime change there, too. But then, you're literally lying for nazis right now. There's no bar too low for you to ooze under.
Mate there's a daily stream of bombed out housing blocks, supermarkets, hospitals and markets. Just do a fast search, or check r/Ukraine if you need to.
Tell me, why would >>Russian citizens<< stay in Donbas under this constant bombardment if they could anytime move say 50km and be out of range of anything Ukraine had untill 2-3 years ago? They heroically die for motherlands propaganda machine or their country not only wouldent protect nor would allow them to move?
People in Gaza figured out if the Israeli genocidal state is bombing them it makes sense to run. But there's not much territory there to hide. Russia on the other hand does seem to have... a bit more to get out of range why not offer it at least to the willing? Why no satellite evidence, especially compared to how Bakhmut or Mauriopol looked after a few months of Russian operations? You ever attempt to reality check what you believe, even if its with the best intentions?
These were Ukrainian citizens who spoke Russian and lived in Ukraine all their lives, and before that the USSR. Why wouldn’t they move? Because their grandparents fought the demons from the west and so will they, because they are brave and don’t just accept ethnic cleansing but fight back.
Every generation a new batch of swastika wearing fascist westerners invade Russia, you don’t think they are ready for your shit?
All I'm saying is if they were bombed, they could easily escape it, or Russia could easily destroy to guns used, since Ukr didn't have any serious long range artillery until recently. So either Russia was unwilling, or the people did not feel threatened or something is off here.
There are millions of Ukrainian citizens who speak Russian and were persecuted. You are saying “why didn’t Russia just accept massive population transfers and millions of refugees”? Ukraine was attempting ethnic cleansing of its own citizens. Why should this be accepted, an illegitimate coup government driving millions from their homes?
You think it’s fine because you are a Russophobic fascist as I have said. You don’t care about people if they speak Russian you think they deserve to die of be driven from their homes, you have the same attitude Americans do about Palestinians.
Oh no just dont report me to the authorities, please!
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lold. Fucken misserable bootlickers. Why cant you just come up with clear visual evidence? Come on, 10 years of destruction and genocide over artillery, that has to leave a massive mark like you know the sort of these images of Marinka:
As destroyed by Russia. So if this stuff documented and possible to show is not genocide of Ukrainians, but there was a genocide of... russian-speaking Ukrainians in one particular area - whers the proof?
Yeah now honestly the union house masacre of two thing, how does that compare to daily russian bombardment of civi targets?
How does that compare to Ukraine constantly shelling the donbas for the last 10 years? Denying Russian Ukrainians their pensions? Literally engaging in genocide by making use of Russian illegal and shit like that?
Have you seen pictures of Bakhmut after half a year of battle? How was anything still standing in Donbas after supposably 10 years of bombardment? This is such a deeply absurd propaganda point, how could anyone fall for that?
god you're a fucking moron
Pull up any random picture of Donbas and Bakhmut right now and tell me if you spot a difference.
You are just now discovering the concept of linear time and causality
You're arguing a thing in the past didn't happen because of 'common sense' bullshit
Why not just look it up
OK, fast search; US propaganda site with a good selection of satellite photos. Show me something remotly of this scale from any Kremlin or whichever you want sources for Donbas city.
Why? Your point is a red herring either way. The scale of destruction when two nation states fight a dug in war is different from a nation state suppressing a regional separatist movement? Premise granted. So?
Just let me know when we can go back to the original argument
You're claiming 10 years of bombardment. That should somehow show, no?
What was your original point again? Ukr massive brutal arty fires that leave no trace, they fact that... they did not pay pensions to people in territories occupied by Russia? Or the bullshit about Russian being illegal, which it is not?
Oh no, I think it was your argument that the death of two shitheads at the hands of other nationalist shitheads justifies this war, and daily civilian death from Rus arty. Sure, sounds like any reasonable argument from me could help here...
Do you think you're a wizard or something? You can just erase history by being smug enough?
What exactly are you arguing? That the war never happened? Idiot clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas There. One of the few times a wikipedia link actually accomplishes something.
Delete your account NATO shill
Pic of the mass effects of the bombardment of Donbas city please.
you are completely disconnected from reality
Found them!
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Oh no, sorry, that's Russias work few kilometers north. So what about any evidence? You guys are just a cult aren't you? You don't even have anything to use as a proof other than a lie you've heard so many times you believed it?
OAS are liars? They're your guys, western stooges - and even they admit there were tens of thousands of ceasefire violations with explosive ordinance against Donetsk
Told you, I'm not into your sect's lore, you have to drop a link or I've no idea what you're talking about. And still if there were thousands of rounds, it should be very clearly visible wouldn't it? Why cant any of you produce a single image that would showcase it like the one above?
Notice how you say "civic targets" to imply bombing civillians like we and our allies do, when what you're actually talking about is striking power stations? I know that's what you actually mean, because if you or anyone in the capitalist propaganda sphere had evidence of "daily russian bombardment" of civillians, we would never hear the end of it. This is a weak deflection with no weight behind it.
Since you definitely truly care about human life, what do you think about the US-backed nazi junta's 8 years of bombings and terror raids targeted specifically at civillians? Their own people too, which I hear is apparently extra evil in the eyes of liberals who weigh morality by the fiction of statehood. Seems like the kind of thing that should have a more self-aware person clamoring for regime change there, too. But then, you're literally lying for nazis right now. There's no bar too low for you to ooze under.
Mate there's a daily stream of bombed out housing blocks, supermarkets, hospitals and markets. Just do a fast search, or check r/Ukraine if you need to.
You're saying things a decade ago didn't happen because there's damage from things happening now
That's very stupid
Tell me, why would >>Russian citizens<< stay in Donbas under this constant bombardment if they could anytime move say 50km and be out of range of anything Ukraine had untill 2-3 years ago? They heroically die for motherlands propaganda machine or their country not only wouldent protect nor would allow them to move?
People in Gaza figured out if the Israeli genocidal state is bombing them it makes sense to run. But there's not much territory there to hide. Russia on the other hand does seem to have... a bit more to get out of range why not offer it at least to the willing? Why no satellite evidence, especially compared to how Bakhmut or Mauriopol looked after a few months of Russian operations? You ever attempt to reality check what you believe, even if its with the best intentions?
These were Ukrainian citizens who spoke Russian and lived in Ukraine all their lives, and before that the USSR. Why wouldn’t they move? Because their grandparents fought the demons from the west and so will they, because they are brave and don’t just accept ethnic cleansing but fight back.
Every generation a new batch of swastika wearing fascist westerners invade Russia, you don’t think they are ready for your shit?
Threatening people to move prior to terror-bombing is some next-level
right here.
All I'm saying is if they were bombed, they could easily escape it, or Russia could easily destroy to guns used, since Ukr didn't have any serious long range artillery until recently. So either Russia was unwilling, or the people did not feel threatened or something is off here.
There are millions of Ukrainian citizens who speak Russian and were persecuted. You are saying “why didn’t Russia just accept massive population transfers and millions of refugees”? Ukraine was attempting ethnic cleansing of its own citizens. Why should this be accepted, an illegitimate coup government driving millions from their homes?
You think it’s fine because you are a Russophobic fascist as I have said. You don’t care about people if they speak Russian you think they deserve to die of be driven from their homes, you have the same attitude Americans do about Palestinians.
What I'm getting from your disjointed screed is that you're implying that the Donbas shelling is a hoax. You nazi pieces of shit will say anything
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Ah, so the "well known antifa organizer" is doing a "like homeless people, I do not respect you as a human being" thing. Lovely.
Lmao Polish and German Antifa at this point should just rebrand to “fa”
Id mostly associate that with hobos as in crusty punks from US, but generally meant a rambling drunk. Feel free to strawman whatever you want ofc.
Sure you did.
your passive chauvinism drips off you, we can all smell it
Coulda stopped typing there my guy
Oh no just dont report me to the authorities, please!
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lold. Fucken misserable bootlickers. Why cant you just come up with clear visual evidence? Come on, 10 years of destruction and genocide over artillery, that has to leave a massive mark like you know the sort of these images of Marinka:
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As destroyed by Russia. So if this stuff documented and possible to show is not genocide of Ukrainians, but there was a genocide of... russian-speaking Ukrainians in one particular area - whers the proof?
There is no way you are actually this ignorant, so you're clearly just full of shit.
So... no evidence still? You know you should try to actually prove a point not only demand someone to accept it so such an accusation will work?