People here should read more right wing theory. I think its very easy to get the impression that the only right wingers that exist are Shapiro or Alex Jones types and so when people on the left encounter a right winger who isn't a total moron/grifter they can be overly impressed and more easily swayed by them.
Case in point being Aleksandr Dugin. While he's not as influential since the ACP was founded, I used to hear some his talking points on here a whole lot. He explicitly talks about using internet marxists as a 5th column to push right wing ideas. So inoculate yourselves.
Marx and Engels clarified many of their ideas through their critical readings and polemics.
I can’t recall where — I think a preface to one of Marx’s works — Engels describes how the publishing of the work was not important in the end; that the important thing was the clarification of their own ideas through the effort of refuting their opponents. I think it was against Proudhon or Stirner… can’t remember…
There's a not uncommon tendency among leftists, and especially MLs where they want to consume the "right" kind of information, as though reading anything that isn't the most pure, anti-imperialist, regionally specific Chinese news paper will taint them with liberalism.
No baby girl, you need to read liberal, reactionary, and other leftist sources in earnest, with a principled Marxist analysis, and genuinely understand them.
Tbh, I think this tendency is a manifestation of the western left's pseudo-Christian purity obsession.
I think also whispers Hayek did actually have some valid critiques of managed economies. I believe there are solutions to these problems tbc, but you can't just hand-wave the critique, even if he was an evil pos.
I don't think I've ever personally conversed with a right winger who has actually engaged with 'the good stuff' from the Right tradition however, so it's important to understand that the cultural impact of this stuff is negligible compared to e.g. Rand
Definitely agree on Hayek. He's one of the grandfathers of contemporary complex systems theory and has some stuff that's worth reading from that angle too.
People here should read more right wing theory. I think its very easy to get the impression that the only right wingers that exist are Shapiro or Alex Jones types and so when people on the left encounter a right winger who isn't a total moron/grifter they can be overly impressed and more easily swayed by them.
Case in point being Aleksandr Dugin. While he's not as influential since the ACP was founded, I used to hear some his talking points on here a whole lot. He explicitly talks about using internet marxists as a 5th column to push right wing ideas. So inoculate yourselves.
Marx and Engels clarified many of their ideas through their critical readings and polemics.
I can’t recall where — I think a preface to one of Marx’s works — Engels describes how the publishing of the work was not important in the end; that the important thing was the clarification of their own ideas through the effort of refuting their opponents. I think it was against Proudhon or Stirner… can’t remember…
There's a not uncommon tendency among leftists, and especially MLs where they want to consume the "right" kind of information, as though reading anything that isn't the most pure, anti-imperialist, regionally specific Chinese news paper will taint them with liberalism.
No baby girl, you need to read liberal, reactionary, and other leftist sources in earnest, with a principled Marxist analysis, and genuinely understand them.
Tbh, I think this tendency is a manifestation of the western left's pseudo-Christian purity obsession.
Maybe I’ve just not read the “correct” stuff, but I’ve largely found fascist propaganda to be incoherent and a waste of time.
I think also whispers Hayek did actually have some valid critiques of managed economies. I believe there are solutions to these problems tbc, but you can't just hand-wave the critique, even if he was an evil pos.
I don't think I've ever personally conversed with a right winger who has actually engaged with 'the good stuff' from the Right tradition however, so it's important to understand that the cultural impact of this stuff is negligible compared to e.g. Rand
Definitely agree on Hayek. He's one of the grandfathers of contemporary complex systems theory and has some stuff that's worth reading from that angle too.
There is a podcast that tackles this very subject.
The Black and Red Book Review
Highly recommend, though production quality is not exactly great.