I made a website but it's not 90s-feeling enough, could use your help
https://seznahegunma.org/ (visit through VPN or Tor ofc, but the way I have setup doesn't let me even see IPs lol)
I'm going for that Geocities or Angelfire feeling
Also if a Chinese speaker could tell me if I used the right word for "unity of opposites" that would be greatly appreciated
I did not translate it yet but you can use the glosser at https://jboski.lojban.org/ to kinda read it if you want (the dictionary it uses is olddddd though)
The webpage is responsive. It's not wider than my screen for no reason at all
Hell yeah :3
Responsive websites aren't difficult at all when you aren't complicating them with 9999999 dynamically generated elements made by 9999999999999 lines of Javascript or smth
The images are specified in absolute pixel sizes but sometime I will try to see if I can make them relatively sized (unless they are already somehow?) without breaking old browsers
Also watch out if you post anything considered nostalgic, we have a pet wrecker that hates that and might accuse you of having a mid-life crisis.
Whatever you do, DO NOT post even more of your cool website to annoy them on purpose. It would be NOT FUNNY.
Btw, I highly highly rec this website if you want something like a modern take on early web web surfing: https://explore.marginalia.nu/view
That website indexes the whole web, filters out AI-sludge-filled, ad-infested, and corpo sites and then it goes in a big database to search and explore. Very useful in the era of the dead internet
It brings up a lot of Neocities sites hehe
All the Gen Alpha and zoomers on Neocities are also simply having a mid-life crisis smh
I am very serious
Fr though, was inspired to create this after seeing so many pretty Neocities sites actually :3 Is cool to see it have a revival, although I wasn't around for the original late 90s/early 2000s personal website era
That's so cool. I'm glad people younger than me enjoy the aesthetic and are keeping it alive. I can totally understand people prefering it to the AI, SEO filled corporate internet style.
No visitor counter, no webring, no under construction banner, no marquee, no sounds. Pathetic. How are we supposed to know what your favorite song is if it's not bursting one of my speakers within seconds of loading up the page?
Okay I added some truly bizarre marquee thing I didn't know was possible hehehe
.i fi'i means "welcome" btw
It might not work on your browser cuz its been deprecated for over 20 years lmao
If so, just break out Netscape Navigator 4 smh
My intent is actually to have this work on Netscape 4 tbh lol
I see the .i fi'i bouncing diagonally like an old screensaver around the top inch or so of the site on current firefox
current firefox
The Phoenix has been buried .e memoryholed .e bapli forgotten?
.i ma krinu?
.i pa da go'i
<marquee>Remember.</marquee>
Show👁
Omg you actually used it?? You're soo real .iu for that :3
.i pe'a la .netckap. pu jmive gi'e ca jmive gi'e ba jmive
Pls forgive delirious-posting from me I am not having a good time lol
lol, you mispronounced old, but no worries. Hope you get your meds.
Fuckk you're so right
I at-least need a visitor counter and a button to play a midi (I'm not evil enough to put an autoplaying midi on there hehehe)
Also, I'm on mobile, so I can't tell. But I bet it doesn't even change your mouse cursor into some cool dragon or anything.
Not complete till there's a guestbook.
How did you do the bouncing around title thing at the top? I don't recall we had that in those days.
you need random anime gallery section, a link to the official Green Day website, and add me to the webring
So a few tips from someone who actually designed these in 1995-1998 as a pre-teen
You need a view counter down at the very bottom.
Above that you need a list of links to other websites. These should be in blue and turn purple when they're visited. It needs to say LINKS above that. Putting the name of the site and then the full url is peak performance but the more elite among us would do the embed
You need some side scrolling text, and some MIDI background music (not sure if you added that I didn't visit with audio)
You should show the name of the midi song, with music notes next to it-- .jpg NOT emoji
Pure HTML only no css or anything else like that. And finally a link to itself on top that says "if you are visiting from a website with frames, click HERE to break free"
Edit: just saw the other link here those little gifs down at the bottom are important, "this website best viewed in Netscape navigator"
Omggg, great advice thank you :3
I would avoid CSS entirely, and that was my initial plan but apparently doing stuff like abusing HTML tables for layout absolutely destroys accessibility sadly (like screen readers don't work right for example)
Current plan is to stick to CSS 1, as specified in 1996, for maximum backwards compatibility. Sometime when I'm feeling better I'm gonna test this thing on my SGI MIPS machine running Netscape 4 hehehe
Also I wonder what kind of ancient ECMAScript stuff I could get up to...... if I want to, unsure what compatibility is like either
You could go peak period and dig up a copy of Macromedia flash
Temptinggg
I am trying to pull off a careful balance between modern web browser support and backwards compatibility hehe
I have complicated feelings about Flash :P
Making me wanna use it smh
"Please download Macromedia Flash to view this website" would be an incredible bit in 2025 though lmao
Make a website filled with those fake software ads that were like "you have 10 viruses pls install our virus"
https://neocities.org/ is the place to go :3
Or run your own server and domain like me if you're cool
If you do implement it, please consider not telling the viewer what video they'll see, and when they go to enormous effort to figure it out, it's a rickroll.
<offtopic>omg it's in lojban</offtopic>
Looks 90s enough to me, maybe needs more gifs. You could also use some old fancy decorative fonts (Comic Sans would be a cheap and quick solution here)
<offtopic>omg it's in lojban</offtopic>
.i ui ja'a go'eee :3 .i xu do pu'i se bangu la .lojban (Yesss :3 Can you speak Lojban?)
I didn't consider different fonts, that may help hehe, thank you
Forgive late replies I feel quite quite awful today
.i ui ja'a go'eee :3 .i xu do pu'i se bangu la .lojban (Yesss :3 Can you speak Lojban?)
No, I don't but I love conlangs! (Actually I tried to learn it once buy didn't get far, heh). What I like about lojban and loglan is how opinionated and strikingly different it looks from everything else.
I didn't consider different fonts, that may help hehe, thank you
Fonts indeed can make a big difference, especially if you can find some of those fancy fonts that were included on CDs back in the day on some old FTP site. Or else good old Comic Sans, Impact or Bauhaus will do just fine. After all, 90s aesthetics were often kind of garish ;)
Forgive late replies I feel quite quite awful today
I really hope that you will feel better soon!
No, I don't but I love conlangs! (Actually I tried to learn it once buy didn't get far, heh). What I like about lojban and loglan is how opinionated and strikingly different it looks from everything else.
.i ie la .lojban. cu mutce rirci .iu fi lo'i bangu .i ui mi prami ra .i mi toltu'i so'i lo prenu le se du'u fliba ja srera le nu caca'o finti la .lojban .ije pe'i ri nalmu'o
(I agree, Lojban is quite unusual (lovingly) among the languages. I love Lojban :3 Many people say the project of Lojban is a failure or an error but I disagree, I think it's just unfinished)
If you ever decide to pick it up again you're always welcome to come chat with me ofc :3 I also found this Discord server recently that is seemingly less xekce-prone (xekce means being pedantic or mean about people's Lojban-speaking lol) than the IRC which I'm happy to share too (the Discord invite). I think it's run by la janbe: https://www.youtube.com/@NoiseAndBells who makes very pretty music in Lojban and other things
Somehow it's been easier for me to learn over the last few months than any natural or other constructed languages lol. The fact that it has an actual formal grammatical definition (meaning computers can tell me if what I said is grammatically correct or not!!) has helped me soooo much hehe. I usually write with a parser that checks me as I write. Recently I've been thinking about trying to write a better kind of parser for Lojban in Lambda Prolog which is this pretty obscure logic programming language that is like Prolog but has these types of logical formulas called hereditary Harrop formulas in addition to Horn clauses that are more well-known and make up Prolog, not to mention has support for higher-order logic based on the Lambda calculus and Church's simple theory of types. In general it's quiteeee good at being a language to specify other languages. Lojban itself has some concepts in it that kinda imply that it has a semantics like the Lambda calculus (like ka and ce'u), have been wondering if the language itself could benefit from the existence of more capable parsers. As always with predicate logic, relatively easy to use, very hard to figure out what all those quantifiers and variables actually mean :3 especially if you maybe want to do computing with it (programming with Lojban is my dream hehe). Sry don't mean to infodump too hard lol. Look up "lojban bear goo" if you want to get an idea of the problems the logic of Lojban has hehehe. I also wrote a brief post about it here if you're interested: https://hexbear.net/post/3947641 (I have since come around to being okay with xorlo I think lol)
I am maybe a massive nerd lol, the type Lojban tends to attract but I am less brainwormed I think
Fonts indeed can make a big difference, especially if you can find some of those fancy fonts that were included on CDs back in the day on some old FTP site. Or else good old Comic Sans, Impact or Bauhaus will do just fine. After all, 90s aesthetics were often kind of garish ;)
Oooh, I will go looking, I want a fancy font :3
I really hope that you will feel better soon!
Tyyy, I hope so too. Havent been able to access my medication for the usual burger imperium reasons, have been withdrawing :( is why feeling so bad. I hope today I can get it
https://github.com/SaraVieira/make-frontend-shit-again
Smhhhh, made of all fake corpo JS node dynamic agile-subject """""frontend""""" code slop languages
"Yes please download 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 dependencies to build my static website using glorpr.js.io"
Real Geocities users used to build Turing machines out of HTML tables
Bookmarked :3
This site has been incredible: https://gifcities.org/
Highly recommend even if you're not making a website hehe
There is some graphic design and UI design here
https://cari.institute/aesthetics/y2k-aesthetic
needs like a scrolling banner in 3d text across the top, some <blink> tags, maybe some rainbow text
Ooooh good ideas
I just worry about making my site cause eye-strain or seizures but maybe in moderation some more of that would be good hehe
Oh, a visitor counter at the bottom. And some really low res photos, left aligned.