The few conversations I've had there have been unproductive and inflammatory. While even in other instances when I've said something someone disagreed with they would at least support their statement. Also no one would tell me why the "Confused Unga Bunga" meme is racist but they keep accusing me of it. I'm all for open discussions but even the comments there are so angry and toxic.
Edit: I'm reading every comment and taking everything people said and considering all sides. My stance on the phrase has changed but I am still hesitant about giving hexbear a chance. I'll sleep on it though.
Unga Bunga is racist because of this shit.
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The phrase has a long history as a racist dogwhistle, and is deeply tied with "Race Science" horseshit.
Yeah I saw that but only after I added terms like racist and offensive to my search result, meaning if I just type that phrase by itself into Google nothing. I also don't watch any of that shit because it's like you said, horseshit.
I will not use the phrase in the future though.
Yeah I saw that but only after I added terms like racist and offensive to my search result, meaning if I just type that phrase by itself into Google nothing.
That's the point of a dogwhistle. If they didnt want to whistle, they'd just yell a slur. The whole point of its racist usage being able to signal racist ideology to those in the know, while hiding behind people like yourself who insist on it being fine.
The preferred response to learning of a dogwhistle for the first time is to go "Oh shit, my bad, i wont use it again." It costs you nothing and removes camo for actual detestable people.
When you argue to the effect "It not that racist", you provide screening for racists, and are doing their work. Normalizing crypto racist shit attracts racists. For this reason, you will be dunked by bears.
I'll chock this up to ignorance then. I will be adding that to my list of things not to say.
It happens to all of us at one time or another. We all live in societies scarred by hundreds of years of brainworms; Grew up with them, internalized them. It takes effort to just see the scope of these brainworms, much less change them.
Most of Hexbear is hyper-vigilant against this sort of thing because we've spent a lot of time deprogramming ourselves and others of these particular ideological blinders. We can get pretty defensive when our fash-detectors ping. I'm sorry if we've hit you with undeserved ire.
You're right and I understand that now but maybe because I compartmentalized it differently in my head as different from "ooga booga" which is highly racist. Thanks for actually explaining it to me. Language is weird.
I thought I was in a hexbear thread but I kept getting buzzwords thrown at me. It's awfully jarring and did not help with me understanding the situation. I know it's not an excuse but sometimes my autism makes it hard for me to see the proper path through the conversation.
I don't understand all the hate. They're just fucking funny. I have a great time there.
Maybe if you're not a Leftist then there's no appeal.
Hey everybody, here's the very first usage of "unga bunga"
Only those toxic Hexbears could possibly criticize this
I assure you, racists have not forgotten.
Really, you don't have to defend it.
Edit: removed the snark because you do appear to be taking criticism, which is something someone with terminal reactionary brainworms does not do. Self criticism helps us grow and get better opinions, and I hope you'll reevaluate Hexbear differently now that you see where we're coming from
It has more lasting relevance than your "my wholesome
buddies totally were just talking about a caveman video game from the 90s that never actually says Unga Bunga in it" claims.EDIT: Seems a 90s video game may have had a racist dogwhistle in it. Which absolves all uses of a racist utterance forever and ever!
Looks like you lied, again.
You didn't block this instance if you're still scrambling to cover your ass.
I can't with my app on mobile(unless it's a recent)☠️ I've just been manually blocking each community as I see them. Being wrong is not the same as lying.
You can be wrong and lie in alternating fashion, and that's what you've done here so far.
Go away already.
I showed you where in the game he said it, and didn't change anything I said though, not counting editing my original comment. I'm willing to no longer use the phrase I just couldn't stand you jumping on me with buzzwords and accusations. I do try to be a decent human, but I'm just some internet stranger to you. I was genuinely confused wanted help understanding it and you just dogpiled me.
It was a racist utterance from way before that and your pretenses of innocent wholesome smol bean gamerness run awfully thin if that's what the entirety of your case to keep uttering it comes from.
Again, you haven't blocked this instance yet. And you should.
Uhh, I'm trying to apologize and grow from this, I'm explaining my position and where the statement came from, not justifying it. I needed you to know where I came and I wanted to know where you came from so we could reach an understanding. I can't block instances in voyager. At least I tried.
if you're legit and you want to grow and reflect, from now on in this thread, only ask questions and do not argue, digest what you read and learn for a while, and then you can argue like, tomorrow or whenever, if you still want to. anything else would be reactive and unhelpful for your growth, and likely result in you digging in and growing stubborn on the issue
For real, this is not going to be healthy if you keep posting at this rate, if you're being genuine
I was replying to your reply in another thread and thought Id check your post history only to see youre in like 5 interactions at once, thats now how you self crit or reflect chief
You may be right, I just felt the strong need to defend my reasoning. I'm just trying to learn and I'm reading every comment and considering my response and even went back and changed some of my statements that looking back are dumb.
You don't have to fix everything right this second, in fact trying to is likely to break everything worse. If you really do reflect and grow here, you will be welcomed and encouraged, but not if you go down swinging on a hill you "felt a strong need to defend". I am not saying that in any way disparagingly, I've been there. You may not be wrong for feeling this way, but acting on it may very well be a mistake in retrospect
If you decide to take my advice, edit your post here to say: I've been given a lot to reflect on, I'm going to disengage and do that" or similar (include the word disengage though) and then no one will pile on, and may even reach out
The N word had its first documented use in the early 17th century so it's clearly okay to use nowadays
Interesting, I haven't personally had any run ins with Hexbears, but everything I've read from them in non-Hexbear communities has generally looked fine to me. Sure, they argue hard and in detail when it comes to anything political and they can also be a little edgy, but I haven't seen any of them be assholes, abusive, argue in bad faith, etc. So far I have appreciated their contributions. It probably helps that I generally agree with (many of?) them politically as far as I can tell, but despite that, if I saw them being assholes I would make notice because I don't believe in defending the people in your team even when they're doing wrong. I would be more likely to call them for taking the wrong approach instead. Do you have any example threads that demonstrate what you're describing?
https://live.hexbear.net/c/movies
Playing now in fact!
Tonight is "The Craft"(1996) & "John Wick:Chapter 4"(2023)
Tomorrow is Anime night & Sundays are Cheesy Slop Night. Not sure whats been queued for those tho, not my current wheelhouse.
Uh, the XiBucks, obviously.
Look, I get it. Hexbear is a demanding place to be. It expects you to not be a complete asshole almost all the time. You're regularly tested on knowledge of an emoji system so complex, it's been known to make London cab drivers cry. If you unthinkingly parrot talking points, you'll be pounced on with annoying facts and aggressive reasonable concern for the value of other people. And if you emit the slightest Hitler particle, you'll be outright banned. How authoritarian! Honesty, sometimes I wonder why I signed up, never mind stay around.
But then I remember that the folks there are a deeply caring lot, who see the problems in the world and actually want to do something about it—even though the goal often seems barely possible—and, in spite of everything, retain a sense of humour and try to make improvements for each other, even if, for now at least, it can only be a :meow-hug:.
Oh, and the XiBucks, of course. Some of us even get roubles, too!
We have my hampter. His name is Biggs. His favorite hobby is biting my fingers and calling me a virgin on the internet
I don't think we've got Wedge but we've got
and I'm pretty sure Barrett's around somewhere tooNot that I know of but you'd have to ask the man himself
@Biggs@hexbear.net, GET IN HERE
I subbed !urbanism@hexbear.net and honestly, it's too much image and not enough text for my druthers, but the kids are all right.
The question itself is inflammatory but there has generally been a good discussion. Locking instead of removing.
Apparently it's not super great? I haven't noticed https://lemmy.ca/post/3532299
