• aport@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    You can't pretend to be altruistic when your idea of peace is letting Putin forcibly annex all former Soviet states. Come off it.

    A counteroffensive is Ukraine's prerogative, right, and in many senses an obligation.

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      • aport@programming.dev
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        1 year ago

        I think Ukraine should negotiate for the best peace settlement it can get, and take it

        And what do you imagine that settlement would be, other than a complete surrender of every square kilometer of their land, their people, and their lives?

        • edge [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          You're just making shit up instead of looking at Russia's stated, implied, and material goals.

          a complete surrender of every square kilometer of their land

          Russia doesn't want to annex all of Ukraine. There's nothing for them in the north. At the very most they would annex Novorossiya, but if Ukraine were to go to the negotiating table right now they likely would get away with only losing the four oblasts that Russia already annexed, plus Crimea ofc. Aside from that land, Russia wants guarantees that Ukraine will stay out of NATO and the EU.

          their people, and their lives

          There is absolutely no evidence that Russia wants to or is carrying out a genocide of Ukrainians. There has been no rhetoric from Russia that the Ukrainian ethnicity as a whole are some untermensch and/or threat to society that needs to be removed. In fact there's been the opposite, that Ukrainians are their brothers, "little Russians". The only genocidal/ethnic cleansing rhetoric I've seen has been from Ukraine's side, celebrating when a random Russian civilian is killed by a shark, calling all Russians "orcs", wanting to remove Russian civilians from Crimea (who have been living there long before it was transferred to Ukraine in 1954), anti-Russian language laws which Human Rights Watch reported concerns about just a month before the invasion.

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          • aport@programming.dev
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            1 year ago

            Do you never go check anything for yourselves?

            If I did that I wouldn't be sitting here looking like a misinformed jackass, now would I?

            Is your worldview shaped by scary bedtime stories told by your nana The Us State Department?

            State dept, US and western-sympathetic media

            When has Russia ever claimed it wanted to annex all of Ukraine?

            I think Putin wants a Lukashenko in Ukraine.

            why would it want to get embroiled in countless territory conflicts and battle out hundreds of mini quagmires, when it could just annex the autonomous regions that do not have these issues?

            I feel like I'm missing something here because the "autonomous regions" are where these battles and quagmires are occurring.

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        • fuckiforgotmypasswor [comrade/them,any]
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          1 year ago

          I'm just curious -- why are you so concerned with the nation-state of Ukraine maintaining its border, at apparently any cost? You virtue signal all day long that you're just concerned for the poor Ukranians, and yet you seem to conflate land, people, and constructed imaginary borders like they're interchangeable. Does "surrender of every square kilometer of their land" mean the same as them "losing their lives?" Is there a giant killswitch that just obliterates every inhabitant of a country when the arbitrary name associated with that land changes?

          The point is this: I've got cousins fighting on the frontlines who can't wait to get the fuck out of that warzone, and you seem to have more of a perfectly liberal, purely aesthetic disgust for the idea of land changing ownership than you do for the notion of hundreds of thousands of people dying in a fucking trench in a needless war.

          Fuck Putin, fuck Zelensky, fuck Ukraine and fuck Russia, fuck the United States, and fuck the bourgeois scum who pump out all the vile propaganda you're regurgitating, that tell you a piece of land is worth more than your family's life.

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    • tuga [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      You can't pretend to be altruistic when your idea of peace is letting Putin forcibly annex all former Soviet states.

      You're a child

    • FortifiedAttack [any]
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      1 year ago

      Peace follows once the war ends, regardless of whether you win or lose said war.

      And you shouldn't fight battles you have no chance of winning, and which won't benefit you at all in the long run. Doing so anyways is lunacy.