Bro if I had to use insta for a group chat I would fucking snap lmao, give me Facebook messenger any day. At least that app tries to be decent
I hate Gen Z
Dude. I have a group that only talks on Facebook Messenger. It's 100% Gen X and Millennials. Don't blame the generation, it just makes you sound like an old man yelling "get off my lawn".
Exactly. What's annoying are oblivious people, who are the majority in every single generation.
Don’t blame the generation, it just makes you sound like an old man yelling “get off my lawn”.
I'm assuming that they are also Gen Z, with the whole college roommates thing.
I went to college at 29. And it really doesn't matter how old you are, complaining about a younger generation makes you sound old.
Take it from a Gen Xer who's heard The Greatest, the Boomers, and my own generation do it 😁
I went to college at 29.
Did you also have just-out-of-highschool roommates though?
Also, fair on the rest of your point. Don't have to be old to act old.
complaining about a younger generation makes you sound old.
Complaining about any generation, as if it's a monolith, makes you sound small minded and ignorant. This is as true for older people as it is for the young. Many Gen Zers constantly blame all the world's problems on Baby Boomers and seems to think all their troubles will magically disappear once the oldest living generation is dead and buried. They're gonna be real fucking surprised the day they wake up and realize the only thing they ever accomplished socially with all that ageism was to normalize blind hatred of anyone over 40, which will be them before too long.
And, yes, I know that I'm unironically complaining about a generation in this post. Or at least a segment of them.
millennials were doing that in their 20s though. it was a whole drama with some of my friends when i switched to android back in the day (5-8 years ago, mind). you just want to be a grumpy old.
Im a 36 year old millennial and when I was in my 20s no one gave a fuck what you used we were just stoked to have smart phones lol
I had a fucking Nokia brick phone in my 20s and nobody gave a shit what kind of phone I had. Maybe your friends were just....shall we say, not of the quality of person I would desire in members of my social circle.
I think it was a 2220 or something similar. One of those old school Nokia slide phones.
you just want to be a grumpy old
Doesn't everyone just want that? I cant wait till I can wear my stubborn ignorance as a badge of pride.
Okay. We'll take that as a given.
I didn't say they were wrong. I just said they sounded like an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn.
And I stand by that.
ETA: okay, I'll admit that I might have implied they were wrong. Sorry about that.
My hot take is that Gen Z is less tech literate than Millennials and it's almost entirely due to iOS.
Never take tech advice from someone who hasn't removed the device manufacturers advertisement from their email signature
All my friends have android phones and they are tech illiterate. This is common thing in every generation ig. Not a gen z specific thing. I have seen millennial tech nerds and tech illiterates
I think it's less to do with IOS vs Android and more to do with phone vs PC (potentially even ones where you had to use command prompt to do things). File systems, OS corruption, ability to replace parts, etc are not really things a typical phone-only user is going to deal with. There are a lot of primarily phone, tablet, Chromebook users these days and it abstracts away a lot of the lower-level stuff that millennials were forced to deal with to use AOL Instant Messenger to chat.
yep, a lot of people at my school have no laptop except the school provided Chromebook, use mostly iPhones, and due to using Chromebooks and iPhones for everything they never actually touch the inner workings of the OS
People have said that Linux sucks because there are barely any games and game mods for it
Yeah, go tell that to Steam about the steam deck lol, Stray runs great under proton, you can even get it to kinda-sorta work on low-end hardware
Yeah you can say that also i recently fixed a friend's pc which was not booting to windows, all i had to do was change the boot priority to the one with windows on it.
It's because computers and phones have shifted to be simultaneously more complicated and with more intuitive UI for casual users. 75 years ago most people who owned a car could do a lot of routine maintenance and even some more advanced engine work because the cars were way simpler. Millennials just lucked out that they grew up in a tome when computers were way less complicated and also cheap enough to be consumer goods. It's not because of any one company, but the natural evolution of the technology.
I wouldn't say it's lucky, there are tons of jobs that require & presume you to have the most basic knowledge about filesystem or folder hierarchy and the young hires I've had in the last few years act like I'm throwing them into an advanced calculus class. Mouths agape and eyebrows scrunched up as I slowly show them where files go, like I've invented fire in front of their eyes.
This reminded me of Principal Skinner’s “furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation”
Put in mind that's only in Murica. In the rest of the world Android rocks
Hasn't helped most of them in western Europe though, in a lot of elementary schools they now teach about basic computer skills like how folders work (and they spend weeks on that).
It's never been about a specific company or anything, it's just that more people are using computers and don't actually have to learn anything to use them.
- Create an IG account with a burner email and join the chat
- Sell all other member's data to advertisement, scam telephone services, mailing lists, etc... subscribe all of them to newsletters from amazon and pornsites (or just wait for all of that to happen naturally)
- Wait for someone to bring this up
- "I told you, we should move to Signal"
- Bring everyone over
- Win
Can you create an account with a burner email? When I tried it about a year ago, plus some legitimate addresses, it never worked or it straight asked for a phone number. I gave them a temp number, received a code, it 'ran into an unexpected error'.
Dude, I agree that everything is fucked up there but don't blame Gen Z for that. The only reason zoomers are like that, IN THE US, is that they grew up with a large lobby of social media above them and their fathers. “Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing"
Generation war is a very stupid thing that was created precisely to keep us from those responsible for the current state of affairs: the big companies. It is true that most zoomers are stupid, but this is not their fault and it does not have to be that way forever.
lol cope and be normal I guess? I understand insta isn’t great with privacy but it’s a group chat for your room mates. Make a burner account instead of forcing all of them to download some app they’ve never heard of for one group chat with people they are forced to be acquaintances with.
They’re likely all thinking you’re the odd man out because you’re making a fuss over a group chat.
You don't have any context. I never made a fuss about it I simply suggested that we make a gc on Signal because it's like iMessage for iOS and Android (cross compatible), but someone else suggested we can just create an old fashioned SMS group chat because they tend to miss notifications on other apps which is understandable and what we ended up doing. But the way this guy responded is a bit douchy for someone who does not know any of us and this is the second message we are ever receiving from him.
More info needed here. I don't see OP "making a fuss" but putting down someone's suggestion so bluntly is kind of rude.
I have been in these kind of conversation a lot with my friends who work in tech. Even in tech circles, people wills till fall back to 'unsafe' solutions due to convenient an network effect. It sucks that we don't have a universal protocal for instant messaging that work for all platforms and is secured (f**k Apple for that). At this point I agree that it's just easier to just move on and use a normie chat app with burner accounts (which is increasingly harder to make nowadays)
And a decade ago, Google itself sabotaged XMPP in their version of embrace, extend, and extinguish: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/google-abandons-open-standards-instant-messaging
My uni groups are big enough that they wouldn't reconsider just for one person, group chats are mostly on WhatsApp, with some on Facebook. I managed to convert one person into using Linux though, so I consider my time at uni an overall W.
Give zoomers a break. Most people have terminal baby duck syndrome and will sacrifice anything for convenience, regardless of age.
wtf is instagram group chat. Is that the same as facebook messenger? I hate that app
It is not it is the direct messaging system built within Instagram itself. It is extremely popular among Gen Z because they get to spam each other with thousands of Instagram reels and shitty memes
Nice to see a fellow zoomer that does not have any social media. I was the biggest social media addict for years and refuse to ever go back. Fuck those algorithm driven psychologically manipulative social media services that also spy on everything you do.
I was the biggest social media addict
I was, a long time ago. Back when you actually used it to follow your friends and see what they were up to. Meta fixed that right up for me when they enshittified it with rampant ads, "Reels" and "suggestions", not to mention cloning literally every other social media feature, to the point that I can't even find my actual friends anymore.
I have several people that I have blocked because they continuously send me Reels, despite me never replying to a single message and asking them to stop sending them.
as a gen zer myself I would follow it up with WHY? give me a reason WHY. I don't really see a difference between instagram groups and signal groups. I think what it is for most people is some lame app they will download for only that specific purpose. The only reason why iMessage is popular is it's the default. If the EU passed a regulation to force Apple to have a default messager that only supported SMS, and iMessage to be a separate appstore app, or even just an extension for the messages app. it would die within a year. Meta groups are only popular cause they are tired to 2 of the biggest social platform being facebook and instagram.
You pretty much hit the nail. I doubt he has ever even used Signal in his life. And even if it was some lame all for a specific purpose, it is a better experience than SMS since Apple loves to gatekeep iMessage and Android users can't use it.
Signal is just a messaging app, and worst of all to a ton of people you have to share your phone number, something that is kinda intimate and you might only share it among the closer people in your friend group, even when signal launches usernames unless it builds something around signal it's just another annoying messaging app to keep track of.
have to share your phone number
Lol, lmao even
What great security
Same shit with Telegram and how you literally can't use it without a phone. You have to use your phone to log in on desktop, even. Just lollll
you're just saying a bunch of words at me that mean literally nothing if you think it being tied to your phone + phone number = good
Having an app, the entire point of which is encrypted communication, tied to your fucking phone number is fucking stupid
Is there another app you'd suggest instead? Signal seems to work well for OP's use case.
There's an app called Session that is similar to Signal without the phone number requirement but then you have the issue of moving people to an even more niche platform
I tried this before, but with asking someone why they liked the iPhone so much.
I kept asking why and they'd keep giving me non-answer types of answers. Basically, they had no reason. But that still didn't stop them from liking their products.
I don't know, dude. Even asking 'why' doesn't work anymore.
The EU is supposed to pass some laws to make iMessage accessible from other devices
This is exactly the problem with Signal. I used to use it a long time ago, but they progressively made it worse. Finally they got rid of SMS, and refused to back down to the outrage. I looked back at the history of a messaging service that got worse with every update and switched to the default Google messenger, because it can do both SMS and encrypted messaging.
I was upset about the SMS thing as well. I also switched to Google messenger app on my phone for SMS/RCS. While they do have encryption in transit, I'm pretty sure it's not encrypted at rest on the server side like signal is.
I personally don't trust any E2EE, where the client is not FOSS. Like, how can I verify it's:
- Actually E2EE; and
- if it is, that the keys aren't being sent to the company?
Y'all send me an SMS when you wanna hang out
PD: tell zuck I said fuck off
I fail to see any reason for hating a chat app so passionately except possibly for privacy concerns, which is definitely not the case here.
I use signal as my main chat app. I think it sucks. I often don't get notifications in a timely manner (very widespread glitch on android) and because it stores images inside its own encrypted box, the app size balloons incredibly quickly. I cannot just empty out photos automatically, as with whatsapp, i have to export them and then delete them - manually.
I think it's still worth it to not have facebook all up in my business, but the end user experience is shit.
Re: the notifications not coming, I've seen it similar from WhatsApp too. I reckon it depends much on which app you use more, so it gives enough battery time to keep aware of messages. Now I use Signal more, I think I've had more misses on WhatsApp.
That said, I've had a few weirder misses (for calls only, I think) that don't seem to be from battery optimisation.
Settings > data and storage > manage storage > review storage > select the media you want to keep > save
Don't you love when people don't even try to look for settings?
Your snark is misplaced. My complaint was never a complete lack of functionality, it was that it is not automatable, it has to be done manually, as the commenter above you so tersely but pointlessly, explained step by step.
If you set message history, it's completely automated. My app size rarely is over 1GB. You can even set the media quality under Data and Storage so it'll use less storage if that's a concern.
Yea well some people don't share that reasoning with you.
Apple, for example, as much as they've done a lotta bad things as a business, they still have a bunch of support. What are you gonna do about it?
It's hard getting these people to switch.
