i can imagine the protests scared a bunch of rubes.
If ur in a poor community i can imagine "becoming a cop" might be a solution to you, i mean i hear that reason a lot from minority law enforcement.
Also like, between warehouse worker, fast food, cable guy, construction, maybe COP might be more respectable and "worth" doing iunno
It has to do with Democrats not being a better choice, and Trump not being a worse choice. That's pretty hard for a lot of people to swallow because of Republican racism. I trust marginalized groups know what they want, and know how to make a choice for themselves. Instead of working from the assumption that the racism of Republicans is a dealbreaker for every minority group, we must realize that it's not. That seems like a scary thing to realize because it sounds like it's an excuse to be racist. It's not. It's just that there are limits to identity politics. I'm not a stupidpol person, I think idpol is necessary to not become racists. Trump made some inroads with marginalized groups, and that's worth noting. It does mean that for them, all his racism wasn't really a deal breaker. Or at least the cozy woke idpol of Democrats wasn't enough to pull them the other way. I don't think this is a reason to re-write all political analysis. The votes for Dems vs Rep does still very clearly correlate to race and gender. It's just that Trump did slightly better this year than he did in 2016. It's something to note and keep an eye on. I think what it tells us is something obvious, there needs to be a better economic opposition to Republicans. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.
Well, like why wouldnt you just not vote if Biden wasnt a better option? Apathy makes more sense to me.
Why minorities voted for Trump could of been a class thing because ppl shouting ACAB probably made you feel scared for your family if they happened to belong to COPS. Trump is pro-cop, Biden isnt convincing pro cop enough.
I making assumptions here... but...
If you're told that its irresponsible to abstain from voting, or voting for a third party candidate that actually supports things you agree with and there is pressure to "vote" then you're going to find a reason to justify voting, even when both big party candidates are garbage.
For the last 20 years, I've been listening to liberals and conservatives talk to their respective communities about the importance of "voting blue/red no matter who." So minorities who are also culturally conservative could just hold their nose and vote for their team.
Shit, that's pretty much how I've voted for the majority of my adult life. "Any blue will do" and "don't vote your conscience if its for a third party candidate because its a wasted vote" and "not voting at all is voting for the other, badder candidate" and "harm reduction." I don't live in a major city, so with rare exceptions over the years, the little town of barely over 2k people has really short lines for voting.
Black people are underrepresented amongst law enforcement across the board so I doubt it. Plus there's a stigma about joining your local PD to begin with if you're black. Also this idea that it's all or nothing with these communities when it comes to policing is just wrong. Most of these people want more cops to be around because lot of poor black areas of the country are underpoliced, and even when they are policed, it's done via harassment and such. They want a reformation of how policing occurs, too. That doesn't even begin to account for the prison industrial complex, which as long as it exists, police reforms will never be meaningful.
Lot of black people aren't bleeding heart socialists either, who are fully conscious of the political realities they've been presented with (that's the case across the board, but other demographics still get money). I mean we sometimes forget that some of the most radical black movements were willing to negotiate with die hard KKK level racists if it meant that black autonomy would increase, and both sides would steer clear of each other after that. That's similar to the thinking with blacks that have gravitated towards Trump. Most of them aren't minstrel show types like Terrence K Williams. They're just fed up with the Dems feeding them a line for decades.
Really depends where you are. 50%+ of the force in Atlanta and Detroit are POC, Chicago is trending that way, too. I'd say POC are underrepresented in suburban PDs, but no longer in most big cities.
Yeah I'd wager it's higher in cities with larger black populations, but that's not always the case if you look at Chicago or Detroit for example. Chicago had a huge hiring spree over the past couple years because a lot of cops were retiring (literally taking people off the streets if they just had enough credit hrs in college), and the percentage of blacks cops actually declined a little. They were already underrepresented to begin with relative to city demographics. Even in Detroit, they're underrepresented relative to the black population of the city, and I know people over there that say a lot of the white cops are suburban.
I hadn't seen recent numbers for Chicago, just going by the eye test. I have noticed a ton of female cops out on beats over the past couple of years. They always look real shocked when this basic middle aged white bitch just flips em the bird out of nowhere.
Lol yeah they got that whole girl power thing going on. Interestingly I never see only one female cop. It's always two. Granted it is out west and youll generally find cops going in twos. The female cops do seem to handle some scenarios better tho. But sometimes you come across a few that seem to have a point to prove and it's like even the dudes aren't this much of an asshole
Never heard of the black aspiring/actual cops voting block. How many black people are cops in this country?
I dont think its a voting bloc i think its just a conclusion that a lot of people with very similar life experience and interest made.
If you go to a city or places with high black and hispanic population, youll find lots of black and hispanic cops.
Also for real with that question?
Yeah. It’s not enough for it to be a whole voting bloc. This is an odd take. A majority of black people want major reforms to police not more of them. This screams of Biden claiming black people want all these people in jail when they wrote the crime bill.
im just trying to reconcile personal experience with various minorities voting for Trump against the pervailing wisdom.
Im saying that while what youre saying is true. I think people can acknolwedge that but I also think when you threaten peoples own class interest, cops who are minorities, they and their families can buck back and atleast vote reactionary
It's easy, your personal experience wasn't representative of what's happening. You don't have to draw generalizations from an individual experience. In fact, that's a bad thing to do when you're trying to understand the world.
the other explanation by itself doesnt do enough for me though.
Why would people choiced to vote between bland and racist choose racist? Why wouldnt they just not vote
It doesn't have to do anything for you though. The universe doesn't care what does it for you. Some people view voting as a duty, and abstaining is bad.
I mean yes but if so, saying that Biden is boring and neoliberal cant just be the default answer like it seems to be around here
Its just the popular one here bc were lefties
I didn't say it was because Biden is boring and a neoliberal. I gave you an answer based on materialism. And what we're talking about here is a small increase for Trump, who lost the election. It's not like there was a huge shift in demographics. The majority of marginalized groups still went for Biden or stayed home. We had record voter turnout this year though, so not as many people stayed home. Probability wise, it's more likely that most of the minority groups who know cops voted for Biden or stayed home.
If you want to theorycraft or have a hot take about politics, you can, but don't make this inconsequential argument the hill you die on. Even if you're 100% correct, what does it mean? Like are we supposed to all become cops so those people care about us? You're just trying really hard to make this argument work for very little payoff.
Yeah not saying that’s not a factor, but there’s other overarching issues that explain why marginalized people switched. Including Trump spreading tons of propaganda that he’s interested in providing better material conditions to them and their families. i.e. giving money to HBCUs, the platinum plan, and commuted a few people’s prison sentences.
Well I know a puerto rican cop and his entire family went to trump because hes... a cop and being a cop is scary for them right now.
But hes deep into the culture and isnt unaware of racism so iunno how else do you explain it
True, and I know that people who have members of their family in active military service will happily vote for which ever candidate says nice things about the troops. Doesn't matter that the actions of the politician might put them in harm's way.
Anecdotes from the past... Cindy Sheehan in the 2000's protesting Bush 2 after her son was killed in Iraq and in the Michael Moore movie, Farhenheit 9/11, there's a lady who was a cheerleader for the wars that her kid was involved in up until her kid was killed. I'm pretty sure both supported the "president" at some point because that's what you do to show support for their kids/the troops.
So maybe less support for the "cops" and more support for family that happens to be a cop.
right but if ur trying to explain numbers and why, this could be a reason why. Is all im saying, not THE reason, just a reason
I'd agree with the "cop adjacent" part of your OP almost whole heartedly.
I'm less confident about the "poor people might want to be a cop some day, so they decided to vote conservative." If things are actually getting more dangerous to be a cop, why would that make anybody want to be a cop. Basing the above from what I'm pretty sure happened after the first few years of the 2000's Afghanistan and Iraq invasions started seeing masses of troops killed and maimed, recruitment and retention went way down.
Im not saying that, i think u become a cop good intentioned, want to fix your community, and then you get brain wormed by doing the actual job and being in the culture. And likely having to deal with some pretty nihilistic situations that you cant solve as a cop. All this turns ppl conservative over time.
You might wanna be a cop to fix your community which is more relevant and substantial to you over going to a country youve never heard of and blowing it up.
Ah... so like one of the latest KushVlogs states, its the difference between "asshole" and "pussy".
I can get that.
I'm pretty sure when I was in the military, there were people voting for politicians who talked about raising our pay even though the same politicians were voting for/refusing to vote against ending the conflicts that resulted in repeated deployments that caused harm for just about everybody involved.