Undertale is genuinely pretty shit tbh. The humor is okay now and again, the battle system, while I appreciate it trying something different, didn't work for me, and the pseudo-philosophical "u did the thing we designed the game to push you towards doing don't you feel bad u monster lolololol" thing was not remotely as original or deep as people pretended. Genuinely think its just the Homestuck connection that made that game popular. Music is a bop though, can't deny that.
The last 3rd or so of Elden Ring is also shit and I assume all the 10/10 game of the decade reviews never got that far. FromSoft is so far up its own "prepare to die" ass that they forget to make actually fun and fair games anymore.
People who like DS also hate that slogan, especially the way it was used in DS2. Completely warps the tone of the games. I think DS2 has cool stuff here and there but it ultimately does suffer immensely from the good director being too busy with other things.
I'm not gonna hitch myself to that other guy's wagon, but you sound a little silly complaining about it. Like, yeah there were and I guess probably are shitheads who are all for the "hardcore gamer culture" but the overwhelming majority of Souls fans, including the really invested ones, think that the DS2 marketing was cringe as shit because the games aren't really supposed to be grimdark or sadistic like that. It's all about learning through trial-and-error, not "failure" as a mark of not being "good".
The moral of Undertale is that children who are beaten shouldn't fight back
Anyway I completely failed to understand the sparing mechanic because Toriel was the one to explain it and I correctly pegged her as an abusive hypocrite. I thought she was talking complete nonsense when she told me to practice talking with a wooden dummy. If she wanted me to believe in nonviolence maybe she could have not used violence to rescue me from Flowey.
u did the thing we designed the game to push you towards doing don't you feel bad u monster lolololol
To be fair to the game that's only the bait and switch at the very start with Toriel, designed to make the player reload and introduce the save meta-fuckery with Flowey. From then on the only incentive to do violence is getting stuck at a puzzle or completionism (which is at the heart of the meta-narrative).
The commentary on violence by itself is naive though (even the game points it out at one point) and if you don't like the characters or roll your eyes at 4th wall stuff the whole thing falls apart pretty quick.
Oh I have OPINIONS.
Undertale is genuinely pretty shit tbh. The humor is okay now and again, the battle system, while I appreciate it trying something different, didn't work for me, and the pseudo-philosophical "u did the thing we designed the game to push you towards doing don't you feel bad u monster lolololol" thing was not remotely as original or deep as people pretended. Genuinely think its just the Homestuck connection that made that game popular. Music is a bop though, can't deny that.
The last 3rd or so of Elden Ring is also shit and I assume all the 10/10 game of the decade reviews never got that far. FromSoft is so far up its own "prepare to die" ass that they forget to make actually fun and fair games anymore.
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Yeah, I genuinely hate FromSoft fans. I like a lot of the games, but you can't criticize anything without that community being insufferable.
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People who like DS also hate that slogan, especially the way it was used in DS2. Completely warps the tone of the games. I think DS2 has cool stuff here and there but it ultimately does suffer immensely from the good director being too busy with other things.
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I'm not gonna hitch myself to that other guy's wagon, but you sound a little silly complaining about it. Like, yeah there were and I guess probably are shitheads who are all for the "hardcore gamer culture" but the overwhelming majority of Souls fans, including the really invested ones, think that the DS2 marketing was cringe as shit because the games aren't really supposed to be grimdark or sadistic like that. It's all about learning through trial-and-error, not "failure" as a mark of not being "good".
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The moral of Undertale is that children who are beaten shouldn't fight back
Anyway I completely failed to understand the sparing mechanic because Toriel was the one to explain it and I correctly pegged her as an abusive hypocrite. I thought she was talking complete nonsense when she told me to practice talking with a wooden dummy. If she wanted me to believe in nonviolence maybe she could have not used violence to rescue me from Flowey.
I killed Toriel and nobody else when I played it and stand by my decision.
To be fair to the game that's only the bait and switch at the very start with Toriel, designed to make the player reload and introduce the save meta-fuckery with Flowey. From then on the only incentive to do violence is getting stuck at a puzzle or completionism (which is at the heart of the meta-narrative).
The commentary on violence by itself is naive though (even the game points it out at one point) and if you don't like the characters or roll your eyes at 4th wall stuff the whole thing falls apart pretty quick.