to be fair, they also talked about other musicals i didnt care about, but I wasn't feeling it, lmao. i would have been happy with literally any other topic, but i fall asleep during this shit, cant help it

    • Othello [comrade/them, love/loves]
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      1 year ago

      its so fucking baaaad. imagine if this was good art that cared about black people. you could have had a scene where sally hemmings comes out played by a child and had a long mournful monologue, about her abuse at the hands of jefferson, a "founding father". you could make something powerful that confronts the audience and makes them uncomfortable. But no, she gets a cheap throwaway line in a jazz number. its repulsive.

      but is all ok because it impileds Hamilton is TOTALLY biracial so this musical, totally cares about black people./s

        • Othello [comrade/them, love/loves]
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          1 year ago

          HAMILTON DISCOOOORSE!!!!! WOOOOOOOO

          Love your stuff

          youre new but i see you! some good takes.

          for starters let me get sentimental and sincere. as a child with a parent from the Caribbean i 100% saw myself in hamilton as a teen.(wrote my way out meant a lot to me) I related to the character extremely hard being a black loudmouthed demsoc at the time. no one believed in me and i saw hamilton as an inspiration. I was also determined to burn my name into the face of the world. this musical has heart and come from an immigrant perspective (not a black one mind you). and while people in this comment section deride the musical for being "for white people" the people who love the musical the deepest, who make fan art and analyze every song tend to be young queer and black people, and people of color. its good. its meaningful. but its liberal and launders the reputations of evil people. at the end of the day the musical is strangled buy it inablility to meaningfully critique its subjects.

          He was the grandson of wealthy merchants on one side and of Scottish nobility on the other

          So all those thing you laid out yes but I was referring specificity to when jonh adams calls him "a creole bastard" and yes there were always rumors he had a lil black in him but those were mostly insults to ruin his reputation.

          Hamilton has stuff like this all over and is pretty tightly woven, but there are some dropped threads where you would expect some kind of callback and we just don’t get any. The reason? There were several more songs about opposition to slavery that were dropped because they didn’t play well in the test showings.

          do not site the deep magic to me witch i was there when it was written if many of the scrapped songs were left in the musical would have been very different and thematically constant. It would have been much improved I agree but it wasn't so we have to judge the final product as is. and the musical doesn't center black voices, at no point do we hear a black characters perspective, they are only background characters and political tools. and yes they take a lot of time to say slavery bad but they dont show it. especially since black people (and some queer people) played a huge part of the revolutionary war. its hallow, sweeps the seriousness of the subject under the rug with a quick wave. also sooooo many songs from the second half of the show should have been cut in favor of what did get cut, test audiences be damned.

          oh noo you deleted it! you want me to delete this one?

            • Othello [comrade/them, love/loves]
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              youre not annoying I promise! do you know how refreshing it is to be able to take a critical look at hamilton with another leftist whos actually willing to analyze its themes??? youre wonderful, never change.

              I think my window into Hamilton was through neurodivergence, of people looking at you like you’re crazy and being simultaneously condescending about your forwardness and obsessiveness but also in awe of a lot of your output and endurance

              yes yes yes!!! a 100% see that. in fact

              Sir, I heard your name at Princeton, I was seeking an accelerated course of study

              When I got sort of out of sorts with a buddy of yours

              I may have punched him

              It's a blur, sir

              He handles the financials?

              You punched the bursar?

              Yes! I wanted to do what you did, graduate in two, then join the revolution

              He looked at me like I was stupid, I'm not stupid

              So how'd you do it? How'd you graduate so fast?

              It was my parents' dying wish before they passed

              You're an orphan? Of course!

              I'm an orphan, God, I wish there was a war

              Then we could prove that we're worth more than anyone bargained for

              this was basically me at that age. everyone underestimating you, telling you your insane. all you want is a chance to prove yourself. i fucking get it. anyway have a great day comrade. and yea some people on here based their senses of identity on being a contrarian who hates ANYTHING popular. but those people are miserable and you should pity them. being able to talk about popular things with sincerity while offering leftist critiques makes you a better leftist not worse.