• BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      So despite the many flaws and problems with these systems, you support them because you think they can improve? Why do you think they can improve?

      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        Because there's been change in the past, and there is gradual positive change generally happening.

        But also because throwing out the system entirely very often leads to power hungry authoritarian groups or people taking advantage of the power vacuum. And they're not as easily dislodged.

          • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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            1 year ago

            I count authoritarian mostly as little to no way for the citizens to effect policy changes. Plus their very heavy handed on controlling their population.

            Functional liberal democracies are pretty far from that, since people have feedback, and because of that, the population isn't ruthlessly controlled.

            • Clever_Clover [she/her]
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              1 year ago

              so, say, a place like Cuba where citizens do effect policy changes (like when they recently voted on the new constitution that now enshrines lgbtq rights) are not authoritarian, right?

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              But most people have no effect on policy and almost all of society, including every necessary resource, is monopolized by the owning class enforcing its will through state violence and deprivation