Glad we're on the same page with nation states. Sorry for assuming.
Agree that consent of the governed is important but strong disagree that what people can and can't do should be divided along geographic/"cultural" lines.
I think saying that non cis/straight people born in, or despite not being born in having gone through a great amount of effort to live in China shouldn't be allowed to adopt or get married but people born in/having gone to a great amount of effort to live in not China should be allowed to adopt or get married is definitely nationalism.
I'm a little opposed to the idea that different communities of people should enforce by violence different sets of laws (why should any same-sex couples not be allowed to adopt?) and very opposed to the idea that membership in those communities should be arbitrarily geographically distributed.
I'm definitely NOT trying to say that non-cishet people in China *shouldn't* be allowed to adopt or get married and should have a different standard than people elsewhere. People should be allowed to marry and adopt regardless of where they live, period.
Ideally these kinds of laws shouldn't be determined by geography, we agree on that. However, it's an unfortunate reality that change of attitudes does not happen uniformly across geographic or "cultural" lines. If an important social change (like accepting LGBT people and challenging cisheteronormativity) starts taking hold in a region with no power over its own laws governing the issue, this is an impediment to pushing change forward. Especially when the power to enforce these social standards is highly concentrated, it can be hard for a movement to get off the ground and make gains before getting stomped out from above.
Glad we're on the same page with nation states. Sorry for assuming.
Agree that consent of the governed is important but strong disagree that what people can and can't do should be divided along geographic/"cultural" lines.
I think saying that non cis/straight people born in, or despite not being born in having gone through a great amount of effort to live in China shouldn't be allowed to adopt or get married but people born in/having gone to a great amount of effort to live in not China should be allowed to adopt or get married is definitely nationalism.
I'm a little opposed to the idea that different communities of people should enforce by violence different sets of laws (why should any same-sex couples not be allowed to adopt?) and very opposed to the idea that membership in those communities should be arbitrarily geographically distributed.
Do you think differently?
I'm definitely NOT trying to say that non-cishet people in China *shouldn't* be allowed to adopt or get married and should have a different standard than people elsewhere. People should be allowed to marry and adopt regardless of where they live, period.
Ideally these kinds of laws shouldn't be determined by geography, we agree on that. However, it's an unfortunate reality that change of attitudes does not happen uniformly across geographic or "cultural" lines. If an important social change (like accepting LGBT people and challenging cisheteronormativity) starts taking hold in a region with no power over its own laws governing the issue, this is an impediment to pushing change forward. Especially when the power to enforce these social standards is highly concentrated, it can be hard for a movement to get off the ground and make gains before getting stomped out from above.