If you believe in seizing the means of production, cool. It's for that same end. If you believe in having patrolling militias and tanks, cool it's for that same end. If you believe in cooporation with liberals...ok...but it should be for that end. No compromise on that ideal. Make it loud and clear. Labour should be supreme over capital. The value created through human effort should take precedent over the value willed in to existence by trading on the promise of that effort. Capital should be forever beholden labour, subjugated and suppressed by it.

If anybody claims to be a socialist and compromises on this single ideal, they're not a socialist, they should be cajoned and forced in to exposing their true allegience. If they play the "bring the force in to balance" card you're talking with someone hopeless. Brainwormed by liberal right-think.

At best you can try to remind them that no superior form of capitalism can be achieved from an inferior one. And remind them that there is a voiceless mass of individuals disaffected by capitalist democracy and appeals to such is condoning a dictatorship of the electorate.

Stay strong comrades. When the tide begins to turn we will unite.

  • aaro [they/them, she/her]
    3·
    4 years ago

    That's kind of fair, but it opens the door for class reductionists, which I hope we can all agree none of us want here because fuck that nazbol shit

    • Spartacist [he/him]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Well, how do you define a class reductionist? A stupidpol user?

      • aaro [they/them, she/her]
        2·
        4 years ago

        Anyone that believes that class stratification is the only means of oppression in our (or any) society. The alternative, and what I'm posing as the "good thing", is an intersectional approach to oppression that acknowledges that both class struggle and a conscious fight against racism/sexism/other forms of prejudice are necessary to truly topple all oppression.

        For the class reductionists reading this, I sincerely hope you don't think racism is just going to poof away into distant history the day the working class manages to establish socialism

        • TheaJo [she/her,comrade/them]
          ·
          4 years ago

          well the offending comment got removed, but there was a comment from one on there that stood uncontested with 14 upvotes for like 6 hours, and it was full unbridled ""woketard"" shit as well