most everyone having a kind of "chore chart" that might include scrubbing public toilets one day or burping babies on another, but obviously wouldn't allow for everyone to have a turn at being a machine lathe operator or bus driver or nuclear technician sounds about right
remember also that privately owned machines also steal the vast majority's claim to any of the social product. and I wouldn't even say that this is due solely to legal limitation & private property rights... it's more about self-censorship and ethical considerations made by the majority
even a UBI or single tax would not rid us of these problems. that's because there is a spiritual/ethical concern when we are divvying up these tasks, and distributing the resulting outputs. healthy & capable unemployed deserve to be kept afloat, but do they deserve to be buoyed indefinitely by other workers?
people who do more work might deserve more compensation, and perhaps no one deserves absolutely nothing. but how does one go about ethically dividing up resources in FALGSC when no one can be said to have worked to create them? this is a contradiction & a moral issue
sanitary workers deserve hefty salaries, and their work is just as essential as someone's work producing food or clothing, but perhaps it's not as consequential
Not much to disagree with here. Though I think under FALGSC, the implication is that we'd be post-scarcity, and most of the unpleasant work would be automated, so I'm not sure the moral dilema would be relevant at that point. Under early stages of socialism, sure, and I'm not against "labor vouchers" or whatever you want to call it during those stages. The only thing I would be against is saying that disabled people who are not capable of certain kinds of or any labor aren't entitled to a comfortable life.
yes, we don't disagree then
most everyone having a kind of "chore chart" that might include scrubbing public toilets one day or burping babies on another, but obviously wouldn't allow for everyone to have a turn at being a machine lathe operator or bus driver or nuclear technician sounds about right
remember also that privately owned machines also steal the vast majority's claim to any of the social product. and I wouldn't even say that this is due solely to legal limitation & private property rights... it's more about self-censorship and ethical considerations made by the majority
even a UBI or single tax would not rid us of these problems. that's because there is a spiritual/ethical concern when we are divvying up these tasks, and distributing the resulting outputs. healthy & capable unemployed deserve to be kept afloat, but do they deserve to be buoyed indefinitely by other workers?
people who do more work might deserve more compensation, and perhaps no one deserves absolutely nothing. but how does one go about ethically dividing up resources in FALGSC when no one can be said to have worked to create them? this is a contradiction & a moral issue
sanitary workers deserve hefty salaries, and their work is just as essential as someone's work producing food or clothing, but perhaps it's not as consequential
Not much to disagree with here. Though I think under FALGSC, the implication is that we'd be post-scarcity, and most of the unpleasant work would be automated, so I'm not sure the moral dilema would be relevant at that point. Under early stages of socialism, sure, and I'm not against "labor vouchers" or whatever you want to call it during those stages. The only thing I would be against is saying that disabled people who are not capable of certain kinds of or any labor aren't entitled to a comfortable life.
people entitled to as comfortable of a life as has been produced by social striving & creativity
OK, agreed. What was once a frusterating conversation due to a few misunderstandings has proven productive in the end.