One thing I really hate about this whole Russia-Nato situation is that it's not a secret that the purpose of NATO is to fight Russia. Everytime these people downplay the idea of expanding closer, and closer until you have fucking missiles and a DMZ along Russia's borders I just get annoyed, because you know damn well that any rational human would be concerned that an invasion (or false flag attack) could happen at any moment.
I like the framing that NATO is a military. It is marching towards Russia, just like the Third Reich, just like Napoleon. The difference this time is that NATO isn't fighting each country it marches through. It "negotiates" with them, tells them if they don't let NATO in then Russia will get them, tells them they have to fund it.
Like any good shake down, NATO occasionally launches wars of aggression to make these "negotiations" easier because of the "implication". Sometimes when a target country isn't amenable, the country suddenly finds a right-wing uprising and coup on its doorstep and then suddenly the country becomes more amenable to NATO. Sometimes, the right-wingers are funded and they win elections without the need for a coup and they support NATO.
But from a strategic perspective, there is no difference in threat to Russia whether the military marching across Europe towards the Ukrainian border is Napoleonic cavalry, Third Reich armor, or NATO nukes.
honestly its very tiring how many times people have to be taught to not fuck with the russians
All you have to do is listen to Putin and Lavrov. There's a reason their true words are never presented in western media. Putin has been singing the same tune on NATO, the US, and Russia's desired place in the world since 2008 at least. Lavrov as well. Their requests have been clear and unchanging. The US and NATO on the other hand have escalated at every opportunity.
Actually Putin was friendly with Europe, he was friends with Italian center right bourgeois parties for decades , also Chiraq of France and Austria. Even when Boris and Biden humiliated Putin about his physical appearance (shirtless and others) , he gave a calm and a fantastic elegant reply. Lukashenko is right, Putin is very calculative, he is frendly with PKK and Assad and took down ISIS once in for all.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-idUKKCN0YL0TY
They body shamed him? Please tell me where I can find his response to that. From what I looked up Trudeau was also mocking him, if he wanted to prove himself as a different kind of leader maybe he shouldn’t pal around with the likes of Boris fucking Johnson.
Right? But libs are still all "Sovereign states do what they want, they're not Russia's backyard, they can join whatever alliances they want!!!". And libs in Russia go even further with "Well they're right to want to fight us! Because putler! Evil sovok! Authoritarianism!!!"
Edit: oh look, they are doing exactly this in this very thread!
In the minds of these people "diplomacy" is literally just "we always get our way".
It works until it doesn't.
Ya know, ten or twelve years ago, I met this gentleman from Russian armed forces. He said something that at the time seemed strange and nonsensical to me: "When we say 'compromise', we mean that both parties roll back a little until the end result is acceptable. It's not perfect, but it works. But when the west says 'compromise', they mean one party retracts all demands, and the other gets everything it wants. That's the cause of our difficulties with the west."
Turns out he was dead on the money.
Just twist the words around for comedy gold:
Russia can’t bad me, Me fool! Commies smart! 😎 🧠
If Mexico or Canada had signed a defensive alliance with China and set up artillery pointing across the border the US would have nuked someone by now
dont forget mexico bombing the US communities within its border, aiming to force them to abandon their culture (burgers and english language, idk?), after conducting a coup because they didnt like the pro-US democratically elected leader.
If mexicans/canadians did half of what ukraine has done, they wouldnt exist anymore
Yeah this is one of the reasons I have little hope for Canada making any sort of meaningful changes at this point in time. We are moving hard right very very fast but even if a communist movement got momentum here I don’t know how we’d survive.
@BattleforEurope’s page is based, he has a few more tweets related to this topic
so putin was never promised that nato would not expand. he has no right to complain about it.
Native Americans were never promised that colonists would not expand. They have no right to complain about it.
Also, he was lmao
and so what if nato expands? none of them have an interest in invading russia.
If my neighbours were surrounding me, digging up trenches and setting up gun nests, I'd want them to stop expanding too.
If NATO isn't an offensive alliance meant to contain Russia, why did they refuse Russia's entry in early 2000s, when there was no anti-west posture?
If my neighbours were surrounding me, digging up trenches and setting up gun nests, I’d want them to stop expanding too.
wrong analogy. a country simply joining nato does not mean it's actively preparing for war.
If NATO isn’t an offensive alliance meant to contain Russia, why did they refuse Russia’s entry in early 2000s, when there was no anti-west posture?
did it? it is an anti-russia organization, but a defensive one. no nato country invaded russia. russia chose to invade ukraine.
Mate, Germany is in nato, the UK is in nato, Poland is in nato, now Finland is in nato, all of these bastards have invaded Russia in the past and have historically hated Russia and want it's land or resources. To claim anything else either shows complete disregard for history or willful ignorance.
You forgot about the US and France. They both invaded Russia during the revolution.
But they were not simply joining NATO, were they? They are holding NATO troops and stockpiling NATO equipment and learning NATO tactics and -
sounds like preparing for war to me, especially when Russia has started the process to join NATO and has been dismissed every time, starting all the way back with the Soviet Union when NATO was first created. Not so much a defensive alliance if the USSR couldn't be a part of it from the start, is it?
By the way did you know NATO was created to fight the USSR in Europe? When that never came (because the USSR never cared to invade Europe, they literally had no plans for it), NATO instead turned to Operation Gladio, which is an umbrella term to categorize the literally hundreds of operations NATO-funded neo-nazis in Europe committed? It was especially violent in Italy, but they were not the only affected country. They hoped that by doing this they could -- and this is where history repeats itself -- get the Soviet Union to intervene in Europe, giving NATO casus belli for war.
Did you know the first NATO generals were nazis?
yeah they just spent the past 8 years goading Russia into a war and have admitted to it for no reason at all, absolutely no interest there, these are just things that randomly happen sometimes.
Everything that happens is either a result of evil baddies being evil baddies and doing things because they are evil baddies, or they're just a whoopsy-daisy accident that happen for no reason and no one planned or expected them to happen (when a member of the good guy team does anything.)
Sovereign countries get to make their own decisions without invasion.
Sovereign like when American neocon Victoria nuland picks your country's next president?
Ukraine haven't been "sovereign" since 2014 so it doesn't apply here
