Poland: the leftest party we've got in the mainstream is Razem. They're massive succdems (like, one time they were drooling at the thought of inviting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to a party convention) tryna convince people that they're leftists hiding their power levels. There's also PPS (demsocs) but they're not really viable right now ;__;
I heard religion is a pretty big factor, right?
Like a friend of a friend basically grew up in Germany, but then returned to Poland at like 25, and must've gotten in some wrong circles, because anyway to cut the story short, he's apparently now completed the lib to PIS pipeline.
Sad story, kinda.
Religion itself, and in particular a perverted version of Roman Catholicism (as if Roman Catholicism is not perverted and bad enough). Also, society-wide red scare.
Do you think the material conditions have increased enough since the collapse of socialist societies for people to be like at least content in general?
Or would you think that without the red scare, racism and religion they could keep a lid on it?
I have to really admit btw that we, at least I definitely am, woefully underinformed on what goes on in our neighboring countries.
Well, compared to '80s and shit the material conditions got better. But also, during "communism" we had nice brutalist prefab blocks built by the government to live in, whereas now we're condemned to the life of either renting or selling our souls to the bank.
I'm just right now contemplating if we need to create completely new vocabulary to describe socialism/communism because people(especially rural) I feel are so burned by the red scare propaganda, that it is almost impossible to reach any of them in a way that it matters.
One more question comes to mind maybe you have thoughts on that too, how widespread is class consciousness actually in Poland?
I think we do, i see it a lot when talking about politics with my dad, he agrees with the problems of capitalism and agrees with a lot of socialist principles, but the moment you use the word, he blocks everything.
And i think its like that for a lot of ppl from boomer generations until ones born in the nineties. (Depending on the country even ones born rn)
It is flabbergasting that they actually should have the education on marxist analysis of the material conditions to come to the correct conclusions.
But it's like the fall of the 2nd world led to that knowledge being officially invalidated and everybody just swallowed it.
I mean it makes sense, a lot of which led to the reunification after the initial breach of the wall was basically imposed upon them, so why not swallow that pill as well.
But at least not everyone is befallen by this propaganda, so hope is never lost. :cat-com:
Poland: the leftest party we've got in the mainstream is Razem. They're massive succdems (like, one time they were drooling at the thought of inviting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to a party convention) tryna convince people that they're leftists hiding their power levels. There's also PPS (demsocs) but they're not really viable right now ;__;
I heard religion is a pretty big factor, right?
Like a friend of a friend basically grew up in Germany, but then returned to Poland at like 25, and must've gotten in some wrong circles, because anyway to cut the story short, he's apparently now completed the lib to PIS pipeline.
Sad story, kinda.
Religion itself, and in particular a perverted version of Roman Catholicism (as if Roman Catholicism is not perverted and bad enough). Also, society-wide red scare.
Tad bit offtopic: Does the red-scare work towards the perception of modern russia too, or is it seen as a different country/system?
Yeah, people do have these "Putin a bolshevik" brainworms sometimes
Do you think the material conditions have increased enough since the collapse of socialist societies for people to be like at least content in general?
Or would you think that without the red scare, racism and religion they could keep a lid on it?
I have to really admit btw that we, at least I definitely am, woefully underinformed on what goes on in our neighboring countries.
Well, compared to '80s and shit the material conditions got better. But also, during "communism" we had nice brutalist prefab blocks built by the government to live in, whereas now we're condemned to the life of either renting or selling our souls to the bank.
I'm just right now contemplating if we need to create completely new vocabulary to describe socialism/communism because people(especially rural) I feel are so burned by the red scare propaganda, that it is almost impossible to reach any of them in a way that it matters.
One more question comes to mind maybe you have thoughts on that too, how widespread is class consciousness actually in Poland?
Yeah, not describing our policies as socialist/communist would be useful, tho libs will call them communism anyway.
Also, there's not much class consciousness around me, at least. Though many people hate their bosses and want to scam them as much as possible.
I think we do, i see it a lot when talking about politics with my dad, he agrees with the problems of capitalism and agrees with a lot of socialist principles, but the moment you use the word, he blocks everything.
And i think its like that for a lot of ppl from boomer generations until ones born in the nineties. (Depending on the country even ones born rn)
It is flabbergasting that they actually should have the education on marxist analysis of the material conditions to come to the correct conclusions. But it's like the fall of the 2nd world led to that knowledge being officially invalidated and everybody just swallowed it. I mean it makes sense, a lot of which led to the reunification after the initial breach of the wall was basically imposed upon them, so why not swallow that pill as well.
But at least not everyone is befallen by this propaganda, so hope is never lost. :cat-com: