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Germany:
Our left wing is the spd ("left", neolibs that pose as socdems), green party (good on things like lgbt+ rights, otherwise green capitalism) & die linke (the real left party, quite good, but not always united and a bit .. stuck in old times?)
Spd are in free fall, as people hate them being neolibs, greens are rising quite fast and die linke is relatively stagnant.(edit: rising a bit on country level)
[Edit: last countrywide elections (2017) spd 20,5% | greens 8,9% | die linke 9,2%]
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Spd are in free fall, as people hate them being neolibs
I feel this is very much becoming a global phenomenon. I know this isn't exactly a hot take here, but I believe neoliberalism is living on borrowed time across the world. Which could work in the left's favor, but certainly could also bring about fascism. Hard to say which way things go.
Always has been.
I have to say I’m at times a bit of a doomer when it comes to Europe. I’m pretty sure when climate shit starts really hitting the fan, Europe will turn fascist, if class consciousness in many countries isn’t significantly raised until then.
Just wanted to say fuck the SPD. lol
But honestly though, some small things that come to mind: I hope that the BaWü Greens don’t take over the party, although their bourgeoise anyways so why do I care?
My gripe with Die Linke: too many who seem not to be capable of separating today’s Russia from the Soviet Union. So they take unnecessary heat for defending Russia when it is completely unjustified to even do so today.
Good point, like I don't understand it, it should not be this hard to have a unified front throughout European left parties on basic issues, like overthrowing capitalism, establishing a socialist society and beginning the transition towards communism.
Any leftist should be able to agree to those terms. God damn infighting bullshit.
I mean, it isnt called "die internationale" just for laughs, not sure why thats so hard to understand for some.
Yeah, thats what i meant with "stuck in old times". They really need some updates (also regarding for example coal workers imo and some more).
I don’t have a problem with defending what was achieved during the GDRs and Soviet Unions history, but if one wants to do that, they need to make it abundantly clear that there is absolutely nothing to defend about todays Russia(except its people obviously).
Good point about coal, when I was a lib I would’ve said "Just learn to code". But that obviously doesn’t work, so it’s a bit of a hard one. But I bet you could definitely argue for larger investment by impacted areas like rebuilding infrastructure to try and somehow keep good paying jobs.
While at the same time you need to hammer, in every interview you can get, how the underlying system is the problem. If you think for a moment you can probably tie every problem back to capitalism, but in a way that isn’t conspiracy like the elites control us and shit.
This has gotten a bit longer than intended, sorry.
Exactly, some of them seem to not realize how much russia has changed and uncritically support modern russia a lot.
Yeah, there needs to be a lot of programs to be able to change the areas that were based on montanindustrie and heavy Industries, especially the ruhrgebiet. I think that would deserve a post on its own. But just supporting montanindustrie to support the workers is just .. well, outdated.
Yeah, the majority of problems present can be tied to capitalism and, imo, its correct to base it on capitalism in most of these cases.
No worries, was a good read 👍
Another tidbit on German discourse: A leader(Kühnert) of the youth organisation(their not as bad as the party itself) of the SPD gets basically lynched in the media over weeks because he explained on a talkshow how the German constitution reserves the state the right, if it sees necessary, to nationalize industry.
How dare he suggest such a cardinal sin!Sidenote: Our constitution also says "Eigentum verpflichtet" which roughly translates to "property comes with obligation and responsibility". Of course you will understand that this passage is only treated like decor.
The spd youth org is what the spd should be like imo.
And honestly, we are really lacking mainstream left wing media.
Hm, i've not listened to that yet .. i guess you'd recommend to do that?
They always did a weekly critical media analysis of what happened the week before. Unfortunately they had some personal differences, they like ended after 444 episodes, like a few weeks ago.
But just take a look at Tilo Jungs YouTube he actually does excellent interviews and stuff. If you have some hours to spend watch this episode where he had a 3 hour walk and talk, so to speak, with a represantative of the organisation Breaking The Silence in the city of Hebron. It is really really fucking good.
His other interviews might not be on that level(depends on the guest), but he is IMO the best left German media has with somewhat of a reach.
Thanks! I think i actually looked at his channel before, just didnt really watch the pod, i dont even know why..
Bit of historical context, in the 1998 elections the SPD was still able to pull 40%.
That administration really jumpstarted their neolib turn. You can maybe notice why they’re not that popular anymore.33% cdu/csu (depending on wing neolib centrist to fash adjacent) [dropping slowly] 13% afd (extreme right wing populism, fash as hell) [were rising, maybe not anymore, because they were bullshitting alot in regards to covid] 11% fdp (neolib on steroids) [not sure about them, they were dropping a lot, now they are a one man show and have solid results]
I think a lot of european countries have a quite similar political landscape, not sure tho..
Scotland: the entire political consciousness is on scottish independence so the only party with seats is the SNP ahaha scottish labour are pretty trash and no other left party has any MPs. Hopefully after independence other issues will be on the table and we'll get more interesting parties with seats
Poland: the leftest party we've got in the mainstream is Razem. They're massive succdems (like, one time they were drooling at the thought of inviting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to a party convention) tryna convince people that they're leftists hiding their power levels. There's also PPS (demsocs) but they're not really viable right now ;__;
I heard religion is a pretty big factor, right?
Like a friend of a friend basically grew up in Germany, but then returned to Poland at like 25, and must've gotten in some wrong circles, because anyway to cut the story short, he's apparently now completed the lib to PIS pipeline.
Sad story, kinda.Religion itself, and in particular a perverted version of Roman Catholicism (as if Roman Catholicism is not perverted and bad enough). Also, society-wide red scare.
Tad bit offtopic: Does the red-scare work towards the perception of modern russia too, or is it seen as a different country/system?
Yeah, people do have these "Putin a bolshevik" brainworms sometimes
Do you think the material conditions have increased enough since the collapse of socialist societies for people to be like at least content in general?
Or would you think that without the red scare, racism and religion they could keep a lid on it?I have to really admit btw that we, at least I definitely am, woefully underinformed on what goes on in our neighboring countries.
Well, compared to '80s and shit the material conditions got better. But also, during "communism" we had nice brutalist prefab blocks built by the government to live in, whereas now we're condemned to the life of either renting or selling our souls to the bank.
I'm just right now contemplating if we need to create completely new vocabulary to describe socialism/communism because people(especially rural) I feel are so burned by the red scare propaganda, that it is almost impossible to reach any of them in a way that it matters.
One more question comes to mind maybe you have thoughts on that too, how widespread is class consciousness actually in Poland?
Yeah, not describing our policies as socialist/communist would be useful, tho libs will call them communism anyway.
Also, there's not much class consciousness around me, at least. Though many people hate their bosses and want to scam them as much as possible.
I think we do, i see it a lot when talking about politics with my dad, he agrees with the problems of capitalism and agrees with a lot of socialist principles, but the moment you use the word, he blocks everything.
And i think its like that for a lot of ppl from boomer generations until ones born in the nineties. (Depending on the country even ones born rn)
It is flabbergasting that they actually should have the education on marxist analysis of the material conditions to come to the correct conclusions. But it's like the fall of the 2nd world led to that knowledge being officially invalidated and everybody just swallowed it. I mean it makes sense, a lot of which led to the reunification after the initial breach of the wall was basically imposed upon them, so why not swallow that pill as well.
But at least not everyone is befallen by this propaganda, so hope is never lost. :cat-com:
Czechia:
I'm a dual citizen of America and Czechia and have lived in America most my life so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Things are a bit complicated in Czechia right now. ANO is a populist liberal centrist party that aims to upset the typical neoliberal order in Czechia, and is the leading party. The Communist Party, for the first time since the fall of Czechoslovakia, has supported the government. The Social Democrats have recently joined with ANO in coalition. The only left parties of note are the Communist Party and the Social Democrats. The Social Democrats do have some Democratic Socialists in them, and so does the Communist Party. However, they are kind of shit and have allied with ANO purely because they oppose typical neoliberalism and have some populist politics. There are anarchists that go to Communist Party meetings as well, I'm of that flavor.
There is a pervasive opinion in Czechia, among voters for the Communist Party and opponents of the Communist party, that should the Communist party regain a plurality, they will coup the government once more like they did in 1948. I am not nearly this optimistic, there have been scandals and too many dealings among the central leadership with neoliberal states. The voting base for the Communist party is mostly among rural regions that benefited heavily from Communist rule, and a lot of cities tend to go to the liberals as there were many issues with the Communist party's governance of the urban areas in the past. The voting base is almost entirely boomers, but I've noticed a lot of young people like myself who support them. The more radical Communists tend to be Maoists due to the rural nature of the party. There is currently a struggle in the party between the old leadership and younger leadership. Every election cycle there are calls to ban the Communist Party.
The Communist Party is one of the more LGBT friendly parties in the country. I explicitly vote for them because my rep is the only LGBT friendly person to vote for on the ballot. He specifically sponsored and wrote many lgbt legislations, though they end up getting watered down every time by the liberal order that isn't so keen on progress yet.
There are some very fashy right libertarians in Czechia that support direct democracy. The less shitty of these is the Pirate Party, but the more shitty of these is the SPD.
As for the future? I think the Communist Party is reaching more of the youth lately, however a lot of the younger people support libertarian parties like the Pirate Party and the SPD. The current trend is towards a kind of anti-corruption pro-transparency Keynesian social democracy, which obviously is a joke because the movement is lead by a billionaire.
There's a lot of general angst about the central leadership. They aren't great. The rest of the party and reps, however, are quite nice and I enjoy talking with them. The general issue of the central leadership is they are holdovers from the past that get name recognition.
So are you not optimistic that the communist party will gain control over the government at some point, or are you not optimistic that they will be able to rebuff a coup if that happens?
Basically, yes. It might be possible that they can get a plurality but I doubt they'd do as much with it as in the past.
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How it happened in the past is a Communist was elected to a key position as the head of police, purged the police and replaced them all with communists, and followed up with a coup. There is a certain worship of people that were part of the StB (Czech KGB basically) because some people think that they could do this again. I'm more skeptical of it due to the EU being a thing.
Croatia:
In the recent elections, the brand new green-red coalition won a surprising amount of seats in the parliament. Of course it cannot be compared to the center-right winner HDZ or the also quite new far-right Domovinski Pokret which secured more than double their seats, but all the coalition's members (unlike the usual parliamentary rep) aren't lazy rich boomers and they seem ready to do some actual work. Their outreach is pretty good from what I've seen and they have thankfully managed to get through to the voters in the most progressive regions who usually vote for the succdems, but they are going to have to step up their game in the other 85% of the country.
The best news is their defacto leaders are Katarina Peović, the leader of the "Workers' Front" party and Tomislav Tomašević who is very likely to finally replace the capital's corrupt piece of shit mayor next year. Both of them are quite smart and charismatic so having them as the face of the left is a really good development imo. Also the WF twitter might be run by a chapo with the way they write their tweets.
Other than that, the succdem SDP has been the main opposition party to HDZ, but their leadership has been absolutely awful and they got demolished in the elections so uhh looks like they will either completely reform or slowly die of irrelevance.
All in all, despite the lack of class consciousness (ironic for an ex-yu country) and HDZ getting away with numerous corruption scandals and incompetence while still comfortably winning, the things are looking kinda hopeful considering the left has successfully capitalized on the radicalization of zoomers and the moving of the Overton window thanks to Bernie and Jezza, we've yet to see what will come of all this though.
New poll has Možemo on 11% nationally, and given the Succdems are in free fall without a leader they have a good chance of becoming the left wing party in the country! Exciting times!
Things are wonderful in Belgium. The PTB-PVDA is gaining in the polls pretty much consistently, especially in Wallonia, and the Medicine For The People facilities have been a great help during the COVID crisis. Not a ton else to say other than they're a great party and have done amazing to reform so much in the past decade.
I live in Flanders so I'm going to focus on that part of Belgium since I don't have the energy to explain our fucked political system. (In short the french speaking part of our country is pretty left leaning while the flemish speaking part (Flanders) is very right wing, which is why the right wants to basically split our country.)
On the left we have the social-democrats (sp.a), the green party and pvda-ptb. The sp.a is a joke since they're basically neoliberals that refuse to work with us since we're "populists". Their head guy recently explained in an article that he doesn't read any political theory and that he would've become an influencer if politics hadn't worked out. The green party isn't growing much and is just throwing out market solutions to the climate problem. They're slowly moving to the left, but don't really have the theoretical groundwork to make that much of a difference. Pvda-ptb is our ML party that has been consistently growing for a while. I'm honestly pretty proud of them since they work hard to criticize the current auterity politics and at the same time spread marxist theory (I've been active with them for about a year now and I've learned an incredible amount), also Medicine For The People is amazing. I really can't praise them enough since they've managed to become mainstream without falling to opportunism.
At the same time the fascists are also gaining a lot of votes in Flanders and the center-right party is moving a lot further to the right. The issue is that the fascists (Vlaams Belang) are using anti-austerity rethoric but blaming the immigrants (mostly the muslims) instead of the capitalists. This makes it easy for the mainstream press to equate far-left with far-right and denounce both as populists because they both criticize the current neoliberal hegemony. "VB hates muslims and pvda hates the rich so they must both be equally bad."
So pvda-ptb is getting big in Belgium, but I'm scared that things in Flanders are going to get worse before they get better :\ .
On the left we have the social-democrats (sp.a), the green party and pvda-ptb. The sp.a is a joke since they’re basically neoliberals that refuse to work with us since we’re “populists”. Their head guy recently explained in an article that he doesn’t read any political theory and that he would’ve become an influencer if politics hadn’t worked out
What?
Pvda-ptb is our ML party that has been consistently growing for a while. I’m honestly pretty proud of them since they work hard to criticize the current auterity politics and at the same time spread marxist theory (I’ve been active with them for about a year now and I’ve learned an incredible amount), also Medicine For The People is amazing. I really can’t praise them enough since they’ve managed to become mainstream without falling to opportunism.
Good job :sankara-salute:
At the same time the fascists are also gaining a lot of votes in Flanders and the center-right party is moving a lot further to the right. The issue is that the fascists (Vlaams Belang) are using anti-austerity rethoric but blaming the immigrants (mostly the muslims) instead of the capitalists. This makes it easy for the mainstream press to equate far-left with far-right and denounce both as populists because they both criticize the current neoliberal hegemony. “VB hates muslims and pvda hates the rich so they must both be equally bad.”
I sense a pattern on the right throughout Europe.
On another note, is Flanders relatively industrial compared to the French speaking part?
Edit: Sorry, I browse by all and didn't see the europe tag.
Argentina: the mayor "anti-capitalism" party are trots with a raging 5% national vote and no executive seats anywhere. Shit.
The rest of "left leaning" people is integrated in some form of peronism, which is a center/center-left thing, (with a long and weird story but right now just imagine them as Democrats without the warmongering). Anyway, the left leaning people integrated there is cool.
I'll add my grain of salt because no one from France did yet.
France's left is in its dormant state, I'll explain.
In 2017, left-wing opposition was riled up by LFI's Mélenchon, love him or hate him, he managed to get roughly 20% of the votes. The PS got 6% votes, and refused to retract its candidate, which means Macron got to face off against Le Pen, and won by default. Now, that was 3 years ago, and here's what happened. LFI (La France Insoumise) got its image destroyed by both Mélenchon's character; and the press, bought and paid for. His party lost a lot of adherents, because of several party scandals, and lack of democracy in their party structure. The PS kept going downhill at a national level, but remains relatively strong at a local levels (see mayors and region-wide stuff). The greens have two factions within, socdems and neolibs, the current leader leans left, but I'm certainly not betting on them doing a revolution, especially when they keep talking about creating a "market ecology". At their left, we have the PCF (Parti Communiste Français, basically socdems at this point), on its way out and hemorraging voters, the NPA (Nouveau parti Anticapitaliste, Trostkyist mildly irrelevant) and is about to implode apparently, and Force Ouvrière (Troskyist and irrelevant).
The unions don't seem to really matter anymore, so I won't talk about them extensively. Reformist yellow unions seem to slowly gain power, replacing the CGT and more radical unions. While they marched several times in both 2019 and 2020, they achieved very little, and waited too long during the yellow vest protests to act; further losing credibility in the eyes of the public.
To sum up, the French left is electorally inexistent (if Greens and PS are not included). While the French population is getting VERY tired of neoliberal politics (see : yellow vests), the radical left-wing parties can't just seem to be able to unfuck themselves and show as a united front to capture this resentment, but who knows, perhaps this economic crash will change things ? Because if we don't, the FN definitely will, and may God help us all if it happens.
If you guys have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
Turkey:
2 prominent left parties, one is social democrats(CHP), other is kurdish democrats(HDP). Erdogan's party has been winning for 18 years, so social democrats are in a big coalition with a ton of parties, most prominent ones being mild-nationalist social liberals and an islamist party with left-ish economist positions. HDP is excluded from the alliance since some parties in the coalition have voting blocks that wouldn't vote for them if it was the case. It isn't that important since HDP gets their votes from specific regions that allows them to put more parliament members more easily. There also have been rumors of them allowing 2 new center-right parties in the big coalition to take down Erdogan more easily.
Social democrats can't do a lot, since last referendum on presidency gave almost all the power to the president, and parliament is basically useless. They also have been taking in a lot of people with different ideologies, from socialists to center-left liberals. They have a bit of infighting between leftists and mild-nationalists.
HDP's economic visions are left-ish, but mostly they are focused on kurdish rights. Even though party focuses on lgbt and other minority rights, voter base is mostly opposed to that and would vote for a rightist kurdish party if it existed. Their ties to PKK makes a lot of people hate them.
Communist party is a big meme, but they have won in a single province and people there feel very good about their choice. They have eliminated a lot of redundancies, there is free transport, they have renewed a lot of the infrastructure and utilites are very cheap there(it's illegal to have them free). Mayor sold his duty vehicle to open a library, created agricultural coops etc. It's pretty good.
Poland:
On the matter of organizing, y'all sleeping on us, because last few days were wild. Margot from StopTheNonsense collective, one of the most prominent non-binary activist got arrested for 2 months for destroying ugly bus that shouts homophobic slogans and calls LGBT+ folks pedos. She's basically political prisoner and this shit caused huge outrage and protests across the country. Libs have got brain damage, considering Margos identity and a lot of people started calling this whole fiasco "Polish Stonewall"
The day of Margos arrest there were protest already and the level of police brutality sky-rocketed. The politicians from our leftist party "Lewica" were also there and they tried their best to help the protesters. Today we had protests everywhere in Poland. It's wild and I can't get all the details here, because I'm going for a run, but it's something.
Britain:
Labour is our 'left-wing' party, and even though it boasts anti-imperialist figures such as Jeremy Corbyn and has had a history of affiliation with trade unions, it is ultimately a part of the bourgeois establishment. Lenin pointed this out by recognising the leadership of the Labour Party as bourgeois. This can be seen throughout history to the present day, where Labour governments have opposed communism, engaged in imperialism and delivered concessions such as the NHS only to placate the working class; New Labour just took the party further to the right. The bourgeoisie control Labour as a distraction, so that socialists put all their hopes into electoralism instead of revolution, as can be seen by how Labour MPs themselves sabotaged the election of Jeremy Corbyn twice, and in 2019, Corbyn's platform wasn't even as left-wing as New Labour Miliband's platform.
Anarchism doesn't seem to have any real presence from what I've seen. It was somewhat influential during the 1970s and 1980s punk movement, but ultimately Anarchism is niche and I'm relatively certain if you ask anyone what an anarchist is they'll just respond with 'people who want to break shit'.
Trotskyism is divided into countless sects and groups, but I'll only focus on a couple given my personal experiences with them. Socialist Appeal/International Marxist Tendency is the dominant Trotskyist tendency, and they are present at many of the top universities as Marxist Societies. While they have good takes and relations with Venezuela, they have awful takes on many things outside of that, including queer theory, dialectical materialism and pinning every instance of social conservatism, economic issues and 'oppression' under socialist countries as the fault of Stalinism while engaging in entryism. They also think the Hong Kong protests are a revolutionary movement and praised the fall of Gaddafi in Libya. Their analyses stop there pretty much. Another Trotskyist group is AWL (Alliance for Workers' Liberty) who have takes so notoriously bad it's best that you search them up yourselves, but they're a laughing stock amongst even other Trotskyists.
Trotskyism experienced very brief success in the 1980s before they were purged from Labour. They still remain quite dominant (at least among young people) to this day.
CPB is a self-described Marxist-Leninist party, and the continuation of the CPGB. They also have the YCL (Young Communist League). The CPB is a bit of a mixed bag. Other Marxist-Leninists I've spoken with criticise their fascination with the Labour Party. The CPB follows a programme called the British Road to Socialism, which was allegedly approved by Stalin, and while they claim to be revolutionary and recognise that the Labour Party is not the vessel through which socialism should be carried out, they believe in electing a left-wing government to provide a power base for the revolution. At least that's what I gather; I'm trying to find out more from them but they haven't answered my question yet. They have good news articles debunking Uyghur camp propaganda and they seem to recognise all existing socialist states as socialist, which is a plus.
CPGB-ML is also a self-described Marxist-Leninist party, and they are highly critical of the CPB. They split off from another party led by Arthur Scargirll due to the latter's disgust in that the people who went on to form CPGB-ML supported countries like the DPRK. While they have good takes on existing socialist states for the most part, their analysis of gender and trans issues is absolutely incorrect and they seem to be appealing to the reactionary working class member.
Workers' Party of Britain is a new party chaired by George Galloway. Though not explicitly communist, it is essentially a new front for the CPGB-ML.
Red Fightback is a very small group and I haven't heard much from them in a long time, though they are critical of the CPB vis à vis reformism and they are critical of the CPGB-ML's transphobia. They also criticise another communist group due to the defence of a rape allegation. Red Fightback is composed of dissatisfied people from the last three parties, pretty much.
There is also a Maoist party, but it's line is that every single socialist state that exists/existed is capitalist, and they're absolutely tiny.
Albania:
I don't know too much, because I left before I had gotten into politics.
All I know is that the left is non-existent in the government, and there is only a small party called Organizata Politike, used mostly for demonstrations and general activism, which are pretty decently left and make their voices heard sometimes. Zeit (german newspaper) made a pretty decent article where they were featured.
Me behet qefi qe ekziston po nuk ka kaq popularitet me then te drejten. Sa her qe flasin njerzit per te i thrrasin komunista. Kryetari i tyre, Arlind Qorri shkon shpesh ne ca intervista po jan komplet injorante njerzit me te ciliet debaton, edhe nuk ndihmon shum as fakti qe flet me shum terma qe jan pak.... meh... per mainstream media, psh borgjezia e proletariati e kshu. Po ama mbehet qefi qe organizojn goxha demonstrata e greva minatoresh e gjera kshu, me mir se asgje. Do tet sygjeroja te kerkoje ca vid te ktij ne youtube, kan edhe nje faqe zyrtare edhe nje gazete. Nejse mbehet qefi qe ka shqiptare ktu pavarsisht se sa ua lepijm bythen amerikanve. Gjith te mirat :)
Bulgaria: Havent checked in a while, but basically nonexistent. The old big socialist party is basically neolib oligarchic thing that plays to Kremlins tune. Being a leftie in general is not seen in a good light, and communism almost exclusively refers to everything that is bureaucratic, corurpt, totalitarian and oppressive. The syndicates are mostly seen as corurpt and bureaucratic, there are a few leftie facebook groups, and minor organizations here and there. LGBTQ rights are non-existent, and getting worse, and the country is slowly sinking into a more and more reactionary fascistic hellhole by the day.