Look that Napoleon lmao:
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Or those guys who accidentally blabbered the truth and don't see how it goes entirely against them:
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I won't even comment the rest, it seems after recent admissions by Stoltenberg and some proNATO media they completely lost their plot and are lashing out. Half of people in this thread should be banned even for blatant banderite whitewashing, nuclear warmongerin and sheer bloodlust.
Russia is going to surrender any day now! Also China will collapse that same day, and Biden will finally be able to forgive student debt relief because Evil has been defeated. Also free candy bars for everyone.
My favorite part of that thread is how utterly convinced they all still are that Ukraine is winning and Russia is falling apart. It's a real testament to the power of western propaganda. The whole support for continuing the war is fundamentally premised on the idea that Ukraine will prevail in the end.
I think what's really impressive about western reporting on the war is that they do squirrel away enough facts that you can get a picture of what's actually happening when you read it carefully. However, the spin in the articles does a great job distracting the reader from the facts of the article. One of my favorite examples of that is when western media will report on Ukrainian losses, and will always through in the claim that Russia is actually suffering much bigger losses without providing any evidence. And of course, people reading these articles want to think that Ukraine is winning, so they just take the idea that Russia is doing terribly as read.
The framing of the west being the good guys while Russians being evil orcs is also very powerful because it facilitates the narrative that negotiations are impossible. Doing negotiations with Russia would be letting evil win, so we must fight to the bitter end. Better have Ukraine destroyed and end the world in a nuclear holocaust than to compromise.
And of course, the west being good is also fundamental to the narrative that NATO expansion is not a threat to Russia. How could Russia possibly be threatened by NATO when it's a defensive alliance of good people. So, it must be that Russia is invading Ukraine because Russia is imperialist.
It's going to be interesting to see where the narrative will shift in the coming months, especially if Russia starts going on an offensive and taking significant territory. The impression I get is that the west now realizes that Ukrainian offensive has failed, and seems that US wants to move towards some sort of a frozen conflict. However, I really don't see why Russia would go along with that.
Any sort of frozen conflict would just create an opportunity for the west to ramp up its industrial base and start pumping weapons into Ukraine leading to the conflict restarting in the future. Since Russia now has the initiative, the only logical thing to do is to exploit it and ensure that Ukraine can't be used as a staging ground for NATO in the future.
I don't get the impression that western leadership understands this. It's entirely possible that they drank their own koolaid and internalized the belief that Russia is struggling. So in their minds Russia is also looking for a way out just like they are.
This is one of the major weaknesses in the west in my opinion. There is a very narrow window of accepted opinions. Anybody who disagrees with these opinions is marginalized and their voice is removed. This creates an echo chamber where people just repeat the same mantra to each other regardless of whether it has any grounding in reality or not.
if the russians start to attack again and gain territory, the narrative will shift to even more racism, saying that the ruskies orcs has no consideration for life and thrown so much bodies that the good rational honorary white people of ukraine couldn't comprehend and got overrun by the barbaric horde or whatever.
the asiatic hordes narrative will definitely get a lot more airtime
They've already said that with their offensives in the past, that the "asiatic hordes" threw so many bodies at the Ukrainians that they ran out of bullets and were overwhelmed.
It worries me how much of the rhetoric surrounding this conflict is literal nazi propaganda, not even "cleaned up" but just with the nations changed.
My favorite part of that thread is how utterly convinced they all still are that Ukraine is winning and Russia is falling apar
Remember when Russia was running out of missiles and they would have to surrender any day now? Oddly, they seem to still have ammunition...like a year later.
The impression I get is that the west now realizes that Ukrainian offensive has failed, and seems that US wants to move towards some sort of a frozen conflict. However, I really don’t see why Russia would go along with that.
I agree, I think once upon a time that may have been possible, but Russia knows by now that anything short of an actual treaty being signed has no meaning. Honestly, I would imagine they are skeptical how much weight a peace treaty would even have given we know now that there was never any plan to honour the Minsk accords. They'd have to know that allowing a prolonged stalemate would just allow NATO to pump more weapons and materiel into Ukraine. As much as that honestly would bleed NATO of resources more than Russia, I doubt there is any real desire to lose more lives.
Right, I don't think Russia would want to keep fighting this war indefinitely and they can't trust the west with any peace deal now because that will just lead to the same situation that resulted in the war in the first place. Given that, there's only one option left which is to absorb all the territory that's not rabidly anti Russian and turn what's left of Ukraine into a dysfunctional rump state.
I think this is the nightmare scenario for the west because trying to keep propping it up will turn into an economic black hole. Meanwhile, western economies are already contracting, and the burden of keeping Ukraine going isn't going to help things. On the other hand, letting Ukraine collapse would mean a massive refugee crisis in Europe.
I stumbled into this post earlier. The level of copium on display is really something else. So much talk about "the war can only end when Putler recalls his army and restores the pre-2014 border". These fascists really do want to fight to the last Ukrainian. Real winecave warriors who refuse to accept any compromise and are happy to keep sending Ukranians to the meat grinder.
the war can only end when Putler recalls his army and restores the pre-2014 border
You're forgetting demands for reparations, disarmament, kangaroo trials for members of the government, breaking up Russia into a bunch of microstates with randomly drawn borders, and more
Haha yeah. You would think that these people would be used to what losing a war looks like for their side by now, but it still very much eludes them somehow.
US never admits to losing a war. No matter how many they lose, or how clearly
Really wish they would all just sign up for the foreign legion and go fight themselves.
Some of the more openly fascist neocons do. A bicoastal elitist neolib though? Fat chance.
They would probably argue they are fighting, and that their online nattering is a greater contribution than taking up arms.
This way they can "support" Ukraine AND be smugly superior to Ukrainians at the same time.
I should not have clicked that...
The first comment is some dude saying they will accept nothing less than all the land recently occupied by Russia being returned (which is insane/not happening whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant) and the comment asks the most important question of all "do you live there?" Because , frankly, if you aren't living in Eastern Ukraine I don't think your bloodlust opinions on how long Ukraine should fight and demand is valid or worth anyone reading. (I'm calling for peace, not infinite war, so this isn't hypocritical to state my opinion. Just to head-off any debate pervertry)
It's always funny to me how the democratic country is the one who refuses to negotiate, and the dictator is the one who has tried several times to negotiate and signed multiple fake treaties.
Look at all those nazi crackers. Couldn't be me; they'll have to liquidate me before I'll support a bunch of ukronazi war criminals. Give a fuck who they're fighting-- unless they start fighting the Great Satan. In which case...
Nah. Let them fight.
That one lemmy world user replying to lumalo should be rolled up in a dirty carpet and beaten clean Korean style for using SA as an allegory for the war.
Also these nerds wouldn't stop whining to high heaven about how they kept seeing Ukraine war posts when we could swirlie them into submission, but have no problem posting more posts about the war now that they have their safe echo chamber.
Goddamn losers and dweebs the whole lot of 'em.
It's hard to know because libs be libs. But I suspect a man from Brooklyn has returned in a new guise.
No way, the DNC was actually paying that fuckwad for services rendered. No way in hell was he a poe. (Unless we're talking a brooklyn liberal that ISN'T BrooklynDadDefiant.)
There was a user called BrooklynMan who had lib levels comparable to BrooklynDadDefiant, but I don't know if it was ever confirmed that they were the same person.
I mean, I'd believe they were the same if not for the fact that I don't believe BDD has enough shame to fold the last account after he got outed for being on the DNC payroll
Zelensky and his Euromaidan and NATO supporters are liars, so does this mean that no one should make compromise of negotiation with Zelensky's government, NATO, and the Euromaiden faction? Also, how is the death of the mercenary leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, proved that no one should make deals with Putin? The mercenary leader turned against Putin and Putin did not execute the mercenary for weeks despite the justification of execution with the violent rebellion. Since Zelensky confessed that the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin was from a plane crash which could not be easily attributable to Russian military force, it is likely that the plane crash is not due to Putin especially when Zelensky claimed that Putin conduct attacks that could easily be linked to Putin.
Crazy that these people are still convinced that Russia will lose any day now.
Hey, if Russian bourgeoisie will decide to betray everyone and sell out (again), we'll sure feel silly!
