I definitely understand the concerns but I think the answer is pretty simple, let people choose, help them understand where they came from and let them forge that new identity with the millions of other former Americans. I mean most nations aren't actually ethnically homogenous, for instance, on my fathers side we're from Poland but when we left Poland was still in control of vast territories to the east and he was actually born in the Russian empire near the border of modern day Lithuania so he probably was part Lithuanian, this isn't even getting into Jewish ancestors which we're like sure 90% we have since a lot of Jews assume we're Jewish based on how we look.
Ethnicity has never been what defines nationality or culture. Like even with everything I just talked about with the polish side of my family I've always had far greater connections to my Irish roots on my mother's side. We pretty much get to choose what national myth we buy into and it doesn't matter what blood quantum we have.
I mean yeah but the alternatives are destroying the settler identity of American whiteness and not replacing it with any cultural or national identity which seems obviously doomed or not destroying it at all which preserves the ideological roots of American racism which is obviously antithetical to what the left wants.
well you could just create a new identity IMO neither of those 2 options sound plausible, more realistically it would be changing settler identity thru "memoria and tolerancia" style state direction, seems kinda weird to get people to associate with some other dumbass white id instead, especially one they likely have 0 material connection to
state/county culture could be good for this, and kinda exists but its much more open to coopting, build culture bottom up
or do the real smart option and just become north mexico
I mean that sounds literally like one of those options. Just trying to destroy the old conception of whiteness without replacing it with an actual culture. Tolerance and remembrance are not a national identity and just reforming whiteness as if it's an actual identity like german which could be reformed to remember its collective sins. Also reconnecting with our European roots literally does create a new identity. Europeans aren't homogenous and America would be a mix of all of them instead of an assimilated culturally homogenous white settler state with the only diversity being between the settler and the settled. Also how are you gonna say we have no material connection to our fucking grandparents and great grandparents? That's dumb as fuck.
uhh so what do you think culture is lol, cause its kinda inherent to humans through their relation with the material world
there isnt actually "no culture" anywhere
look im not looking to fight but this is a crazy proposal lol and very america brained just develop/guide existing culture dont larp into the past
how is turning white settlers wuropean supposed to make them less settlers? what about the millions of people who dont already larp as part european and have no idea what their roots are lol it just is bizarre IMO not like evil just the weirdest and most complicated and impractical solution in order to... destroy homogenity?
If some people want to connect to their ancestral cultures that's great for them, but I have almost zero connection to my European ancestors except through the lens of American settler-colonial culture. If we had some kind of de-colonization I'd be glad to learn about other cultures or work to make a new American culture without white supremacy. But I'd rather learn to speak Lakota or take Vietnamese cooking classes than eat smack barm pey wet or learn Morris dancing just because some of my ancestors were English.
How would this work? Most white Americans (myself included) are a mix of several European ethnicities and have zero connection to European cultures.
Not saying it's a bad idea, but I'm wary of any white people who take pride in their ethnic heritage.
I definitely understand the concerns but I think the answer is pretty simple, let people choose, help them understand where they came from and let them forge that new identity with the millions of other former Americans. I mean most nations aren't actually ethnically homogenous, for instance, on my fathers side we're from Poland but when we left Poland was still in control of vast territories to the east and he was actually born in the Russian empire near the border of modern day Lithuania so he probably was part Lithuanian, this isn't even getting into Jewish ancestors which we're like sure 90% we have since a lot of Jews assume we're Jewish based on how we look.
Ethnicity has never been what defines nationality or culture. Like even with everything I just talked about with the polish side of my family I've always had far greater connections to my Irish roots on my mother's side. We pretty much get to choose what national myth we buy into and it doesn't matter what blood quantum we have.
or just dont
I mean yeah but the alternatives are destroying the settler identity of American whiteness and not replacing it with any cultural or national identity which seems obviously doomed or not destroying it at all which preserves the ideological roots of American racism which is obviously antithetical to what the left wants.
well you could just create a new identity IMO neither of those 2 options sound plausible, more realistically it would be changing settler identity thru "memoria and tolerancia" style state direction, seems kinda weird to get people to associate with some other dumbass white id instead, especially one they likely have 0 material connection to
state/county culture could be good for this, and kinda exists but its much more open to coopting, build culture bottom up
or do the real smart option and just become north mexico
I mean that sounds literally like one of those options. Just trying to destroy the old conception of whiteness without replacing it with an actual culture. Tolerance and remembrance are not a national identity and just reforming whiteness as if it's an actual identity like german which could be reformed to remember its collective sins. Also reconnecting with our European roots literally does create a new identity. Europeans aren't homogenous and America would be a mix of all of them instead of an assimilated culturally homogenous white settler state with the only diversity being between the settler and the settled. Also how are you gonna say we have no material connection to our fucking grandparents and great grandparents? That's dumb as fuck.
uhh so what do you think culture is lol, cause its kinda inherent to humans through their relation with the material world
there isnt actually "no culture" anywhere
look im not looking to fight but this is a crazy proposal lol and very america brained just develop/guide existing culture dont larp into the past
how is turning white settlers wuropean supposed to make them less settlers? what about the millions of people who dont already larp as part european and have no idea what their roots are lol it just is bizarre IMO not like evil just the weirdest and most complicated and impractical solution in order to... destroy homogenity?
If some people want to connect to their ancestral cultures that's great for them, but I have almost zero connection to my European ancestors except through the lens of American settler-colonial culture. If we had some kind of de-colonization I'd be glad to learn about other cultures or work to make a new American culture without white supremacy. But I'd rather learn to speak Lakota or take Vietnamese cooking classes than eat smack barm pey wet or learn Morris dancing just because some of my ancestors were English.