This is a dumb argument. The platonic ideal of a sports league does not exist, global-capitalist sports leagues exist plus whatever the DPRK has. No one is arguing against the platonic ideal, they are arguing against the existing institutions and the systemic problems that inform their nature.
Except maybe the high-contact non-comvat sports like American Football and Rugby, but certainly not basketball.
Were organized sports not a major cultural part of communist and socialist nations? Is there something inherently fascistic about "professional", for lack of a better word, athletics and organized sporting leagues, as in the best in their class coming together to form teams and compete against each other for plaudits and the entertainment of spectators?
A lot of people are arguing against sports, or at least organized sports, in general here. Many in here are upset with the cultural assumptions put on them by conservative, patriarchal societies through sports and using this to attack sports in general and the people who enjoy them. The term "sportsball" is not an attack on the capitalist model of professional sports, it's way to infantilize people who enjoy a specific form of entertainment.
Those are valid feelings and valid critiques, but I believe they are attacking symptoms and not the cause.
And I do still feel it is best we don't fall out of touch with the working class, which generally is fond of sports.
You're talking about the capitalist implementation of leagues and commodification of the sports.
Might as well call movies and books evil because of what studios and publishers have done, get tax breaks in many states, treat workers poorly, etc.
It's capitalism, not sports inherently whether organized or not.
I also think if we want a proletarian movement, it's better we don't demonize sports
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Sports struggle session on the menu, y'all!
You have depicted me as the "I'm very intelligent" guy. I concede.
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this was weirdly aggro
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No one is antagonizing or raging, but I'll disengage.
This is a dumb argument. The platonic ideal of a sports league does not exist, global-capitalist sports leagues exist plus whatever the DPRK has. No one is arguing against the platonic ideal, they are arguing against the existing institutions and the systemic problems that inform their nature.
Except maybe the high-contact non-comvat sports like American Football and Rugby, but certainly not basketball.
Were organized sports not a major cultural part of communist and socialist nations? Is there something inherently fascistic about "professional", for lack of a better word, athletics and organized sporting leagues, as in the best in their class coming together to form teams and compete against each other for plaudits and the entertainment of spectators?
A lot of people are arguing against sports, or at least organized sports, in general here. Many in here are upset with the cultural assumptions put on them by conservative, patriarchal societies through sports and using this to attack sports in general and the people who enjoy them. The term "sportsball" is not an attack on the capitalist model of professional sports, it's way to infantilize people who enjoy a specific form of entertainment.
Those are valid feelings and valid critiques, but I believe they are attacking symptoms and not the cause.
And I do still feel it is best we don't fall out of touch with the working class, which generally is fond of sports.
the soviet union in some cases introduced sports leagues to areas